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breathcontrol

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posted Friday, March 17, 2017 12:48:17 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for breathcontrol
On point...

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breathcontrol

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posted Monday, March 20, 2017 10:41:59 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for breathcontrol
Bump. Real talk....

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recumbent_God

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posted Monday, March 20, 2017 11:13:08 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for recumbent_God
a lot of people here are really into immature music that glorifies guns, drugs, etc.

This is good. Grown man music is something missing from the boards, yet I'm not sure any people will be receptive of this. 88/ NWS/ and a few others are on the same page as us.

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88

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posted Monday, March 20, 2017 11:35:04 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
i'm a weak little boy. hashtag-unworthy.

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breathcontrol

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posted Monday, March 20, 2017 12:11:14 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for breathcontrol
That's why I posted it. Need to educate the youth.

PEACE

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SC1989

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posted Monday, March 20, 2017 12:44:35 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for SC1989
Shame his new album is not on point

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breathcontrol

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posted Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:18:32 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for breathcontrol
There's some nice tracks on the latest release.



[Verse One]
Things, on my mind when I wake up
Things, all my time try to take up
If I could save up money like worry, I'd be a rich man but sorrow would plague much
I done made up the fiction that I'm a centre of a system causing the day rust
Center stage and a monologue play of, me in the audience, all in my make up
What a view when it's all for the show, assuming that I'm doing what you already know
I think I'm in the middle of a palm heavy globe everybody trying to steal what I already own
But oh in this life we are all but alone, the feeling that you are is a problem, condone
Just sunlight hit the spotlight that we hold like it's one light that we cuff tight 'til it's gone
One candle on the cake trying to take it, souls set sail on the race trying to take wind
We are all faves in the chips that we placing, better build self anybody else cave in
So I'm holding onto pressure like it's all mine, that ain't sweat it's just the way I keep the floor shined
Everybody queued up in the long grind, thinking that we next in the short line

[Hook]
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, I got
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah

[Verse Two]
I want a lot more things, Biggie tried to tell me what a lot more bring
A headstrong man would take a lot more strain, seeing pleasure in the presence of a lot more pain
It's like I'm in the plot of a horror flick scene, and I'ma run towards where I thought I heard screams
Cause things draw me like a self portrait, blank paper trying to fill it with a lot more green
Cause things make life, and a life worth living is a life worth giving to a fight for dreams
When your schemes matter more than the next man's, and the next man's matter more than the rest and, we all forget that we are not all things
So I'ma take time in the line, all those behind me can chill, but if I was last I'd probably be the first one to whine, for real

[Hook]
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, I got
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah
We going through it
They going through it
Us going through it
You going through it
We going through it
They going through it
Us going through it
You going through it

[Verse Three]
We just want to matter more tryna be the matador in the pit of bull
Tryna gather our status to the masses lookin at the glass like that's pitiful
I ain't seein' what you seein' cause your problems ain't my problems how you solve 'em really I don't even care
Puttin' pressure on the shoulders that ain't really there, but I know you see it when you stare

[Hook]
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, I got
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah
Things I'm going through, yeah



why you want to catch my eye, when you already know that I'm taken/ how you past due on payments, and I'm seeing you on vacation/
how you gonna make us great when we were never really that amazing/ take it back what, I don't find hanging black lives entertaining/
how do you police the streets of a neighborhood you do not engage in/ why a brother get three for a sack while your brother go free for a raping/ how you make a film about Egypt with all lead roles caucasien/
how you saying all lives matter when the stats say we are not adjacent/ tell me if I got it all wrong/
like I signed on the line but I didn't read the form/
and the fine print is all about the times we mourn/
and the color of my skin means I gotta be strong/
& your hand me down faith said if I was reborn/
when I take my last breath that you'll let me breath on/ as of right now we could never pals/
and how are we supposed to get along/ this now more than ever though/
all about force and measure though/ why I'm forced to let it go/
and clean on your messes though/
you take jobs to Mexico pay us less and lesser though/
promised to bring them back, that's how the problem gets the vote/

Chorus
Really (repeated)

I be on the grind all day, I don't pay mind to the date (nah like really)/
missed call vibrate, & I find most times it could wait (nah like really)/
I don't talk blue in the face, to just to make movement in place (nah like really)/
out a breath watching other man steps & you wonder why youíre losing the race (nah like really)/ I was sleeping floors/
making bread instead of beds on tour man (nah like really)/
if you ain't never cry about loss/
don't speak about the situation youíre in (nah like really)/
i ain't got a big deal but I'm still a big deal & I feel important (nah like really)/
yeah you got a big deal running a big wheel I ain't with extorting/
yeah I'm independent & I'm making hell of noise/
& I'll never let women make a Helen out of Troy/
got no suckers in the circle that pretend to be boys/
I don't lend them an extension I just sell them decoys/
chilling in the cut is when I'm really feeling voids/
cause the movements getting muted and it really needs a voice/
we're just picking between the evils of the lethal and the liars/
people tired and they really need a voice (nah like really)/
this now more than ever though/
all about force and measure though (nah like really)/
this that calm collected flow/
done right, wrong correctional (nah like really)/
enough bout peace & blessing bro I want that deeper message though (nah like really)/
If you on top that's surface, drop that lesson though, preach (nah like really)/

Chorus
Really (repeated)



[Verse One: Oddisee]
I mean what is there to fear
I'm from black America this is just another year
If you're new to disrespect by your elected puppeteers
Well let me show you how to persevere
Just get up every time somebody knocks you down
And celebrate in front of people like they're not around
And if they try to build a wall to keep you balling out of bounds
Use the bench they told you to warm to keep the fences knocking down
Shout out to latinos because hustling ain't illegal
We praying to the east or the father, we all are equal
But if parted they gon' progress in stopping us getting C notes
Well let me ask the crowd, do one of y'all disagree, no
This is for Chocolate City though I represent the county
Until your vote is counted know I got you until I'm outy
It's all about the effort and I'm effortlessly fresher
If I'm preaching to the choir know they're bound to get the lecture
It went from folks around me, pushing envelopes and boundaries
So you won't only hear me where you found me
I'm somewhere asking questions like "Can I be afforded the most?"
You better answer me with more than a no
Tryin tell ya

[Chorus]
Ooh, never not getting enough
From this life that I'm leading and all I believe in ya'll know, I ain't leaving I'm posted, like(x2)
This is for the county and the areas surrounding
DC, Maryland and Virginia know I'm with you

[;Verse Two: Toine]
What are you willing to let die first
Your pride or your freedom
The story of my life's inner conflict
It's like I follow my dreams
But how am I supposed to slide in the DM
On this mic, is what I'm trying accomplish
I used to do it for the fist bumps and applauses
But caring about respect started making me nauseous
You walk into a room, and bammas speak to you cautious
Like employees trying to figure out who the boss is
So now I just kick it for, the most divine
Working overtime
Sitting with an open bottle, looking for an open mind
Trying not to be aggressively jaded
Because I find myself just getting faded
And I know that ainít quite me
I step up for whatever it might be
And RSVP when inspiration invite me
Because who else gonna look out for those who look like me Another disenfranchised boy in a white tee

[Chorus]
Ooh, never not getting enough
From this life that I'm leading and all I believe in ya'll know, I ain't leaving I'm posted, like(x2)
This is for the county and the areas surrounding
DC, Maryland and Virginia know I'm with you

[Verse Three: Oddisee]
All I know is love
I give it how I get it, I can never get enough
Sympathy to enemies cause hate ain't in my blood
And if you can't relate you've given up
I'm trying to make the most of it though
Getting close is a no
Want nothing lesser than a yes because it's suppose to be so
The cost of nothing's too low
My expectations- too high
I'd rather die
Than be complacent with the way that it goes
Apathy is a disease and we're just steady sharing needles
Unaffected people carry evil
Ease is what we know
We've got to raise the bar though
The sorrows of today will give away to a tomorrow
So what's a week of paid leave
And empty promises of hiring
Just to fire me before retirement
I'm trying to make more in one day than 401K
So give me what you promised to pay
Because it's never enough

[Chorus]
Ooh, never not getting enough
From this life that I'm leading and all I believe in ya'll know, I ain't leaving I'm posted, like(x2)
This is for the county and the areas surrounding
DC, Maryland and Virginia know I'm with you

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Bluestratoss

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posted Tuesday, March 21, 2017 1:20:04 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Bluestratoss
Viewing the audience in that clip I disagree that it's grown man music, just as I also disagree with drugs and guns being immature.

Its clear the people who listen to oddisee and those in that audience have never had to worry about a gun or drugs, the hardest thing they've probably had to deal with is running late for their philosophy university class and they had one too many wines with taquin and Sebastian the night before, and many nights before that too as they don't have to work and live off their families large bank balance

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breathcontrol

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posted Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:34:16 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for breathcontrol
I agree that MCs who are speaking about life experience in the ghetto where drugs and violence are a daily thing are not immature. It's reality. Corporate America's promotion of this lifestyle as "cool" is immature and irresponsible.

Don't disregard or make a judgment on someone based on what you see in an NPR office. Regardless of what socioeconomic environment a person grows up in they will have faced challenges and struggles in their life, and those very struggles are what allow people to relate to one another regardless if the struggle is the same or different. Challenge, perseverance, determination, fear, etc are feelings not designated to a specific person or lifestyle.

Remember...Every man's burden is the heaviest.

PEACE, LOVE & JUSTICE

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breathcontrol

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posted Friday, March 24, 2017 2:58:16 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for breathcontrol
Bump...

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88

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posted Friday, March 24, 2017 3:17:10 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
Its clear the people who listen to oddisee and those in that audience have never had to worry about a gun or drugs, the hardest thing they've probably had to deal with is running late for their philosophy university class and they had one too many wines with taquin and Sebastian the night before, and many nights before that too as they don't have to work and live off their families large bank balance

lmao at the guy who starts every thread talking about tea commenting on how cushy someone else's life is.

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Bluestratoss

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posted Saturday, March 25, 2017 3:24:38 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Bluestratoss
Umm, people drink tea in the hood you know

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PreacherPorkchop

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posted Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:19:30 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for PreacherPorkchop

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fool blast

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posted Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:57:08 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for fool blast
anything labeled as 'grown man' sucks. once you get the gray goatee & start listening to npr all day its over. just lay down & die.

wicked posting pictures of his living room like some old broad...smfh

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dr.prof

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posted Monday, March 27, 2017 12:20:51 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for dr.prof   Click Here to Email dr.prof
Fool blast on point

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SC1989

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posted Monday, March 27, 2017 12:30:34 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for SC1989
Were I live on an estate I know some gutty motherfuckers who sip on tea.
Oddissee used to great but now he getting some new fans who are cunts.

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illus UGHH Artist

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posted Monday, March 27, 2017 10:19:35 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for illus   Click Here to Email illus
Just because an artist writes and records songs about love, family or other themes along those lines does not mean they do not know hardships (drugs, violence, social issues). They may just choose to write about other shit.

My entire family has been plagued by drug and alcohol abuse and I grew up all around it, In the last 2 years I've lost several uncles and cousins to poison pushed on them by pushers at a young age. I grew up around guns and violence. I just personally choose to write songs that uplift my spirits and hopefully others.

Not all drug, gun, violence songs are immature either BUT I think most sensible people will agree that the majority is bullshit and is pushed on people for several reasons but mostly because it sells. It's sexier, cooler, more entertaining. Whatever. America loves pushing violence on the youth.


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Bluestratoss

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posted Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:26:56 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Bluestratoss
Is it because of the fact American consists mostly of violent Christians?

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Seme__one

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posted Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:12:28 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Seme__one
Not all drug, gun, violence songs are immature either BUT I think most sensible people will agree that the majority is bullshit and is pushed on people for several reasons but mostly because it sells. It's sexier, cooler, more entertaining. Whatever. America loves pushing violence on the youth.

^more entertaining is the key. Music is entertainment, I think most people get this. Its the same as films, music etc. I still enjoy a good action or manga film, guns, violence and shit like that IS entertaining to me. The latest Bridget Jones is not. If someone wants to label shit as grown up, well up to them but they are treading the path of pretentiousness.

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Darth JT

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posted Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:59:54 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Darth JT
you guys remember when "grown man" hip hop used to be called Emo and everybody clowned on that shit? Pepperidge Farm remembers..

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illus UGHH Artist

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Seme__one- I don't disagree with you 100%. I do think music has the power to be more than just entertainment. Music has influence beyond just entertaining. If it didn't than it wouldn't be used to sell so many products.

There is immature music though and there is mature music. Of course it's all subjective.

When I became a parent I found my music tastes changed dramatically. I no longer was entertained by music with senseless violence. A story was fine but some glamorized bullshit told in the first person as if I'm supposed to fear this "entertainer" didn't appeal to me. I also spend most of my time with my kids and I can't listen to music that I think would have a negative influence on them. I won't play anything with the N word now will I play anything that is extremely violent or sexual. In truth I don't even enjoy that stuff. When I was 12- sure. But as a grown up- it's boring.

So maybe I'm grown up, pretentious, boring, corny, lame- whatever. I'd just rather listen to some great lyrics that say something positive or at least give hope or inspire.

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Bluestratoss

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posted Wednesday, March 29, 2017 1:54:47 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Bluestratoss
That's Ok when your kids are twelve years old you'll be able to listen to all that real shit again

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Seme__one

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posted Wednesday, March 29, 2017 4:42:01 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Seme__one
Illus my comment wasn't a dart aimed at you man, it was just the stupid label "grown man music"

you are a positive person and its reflected in your music, that's cool. Its more about the whole entertainment debate, violent music/games/films (although funnily enough films don't get anywhere near the flak Hip Hop music and console games get) affecting kids, individuals and being used in courts as defence in crimes, normally homicides....its all bullshit, its just entertainment down to personal taste

and I agree with you 100% about music, it is extremely powerful, thats why governments ban/try to ban/ songs and lock up musicians, music has powered many revolutions over the years, its the most powerful form of entertainment.

I just think labeling something as "grown Man Music" is incredibly dumb & pretentious

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Darth JT

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posted Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:56:34 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Darth JT
thats why governments ban/try to ban/ songs and lock up musicians, music has powered many revolutions over the years​;

so dramatic.

then there's countries like Canada that literally subsidize their industry and have laws that require a certain percentage of its airplay to Canadian artists

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Seme__one

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posted Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:28:49 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Seme__one
thats why governments ban/try to ban/ songs and lock up musicians, music has powered many revolutions over the years​;;;

so dramatic.

^ er yes, it is a bit drastic. Seeing as you are being sarcastic I assume you are thinking I am referencing countries like the USA.....I wasn't. It was mainly countries with really oppressive governments and traditions of revolution, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, China, Iran, Egypt where the reality is pretty dramatic. Musicians like Arya Aramnejad who was sentenced to three months in prison because of a song he has written. Theres plenty of banned songs and artists locked up for the songs, singing them in public can get you locked up in certain countries. I guess you haven't travelled much or experienced other cultures, still your limited perspective and knowledge has been very useful itt. Props.

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Darth JT

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posted Wednesday, March 29, 2017 8:59:16 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Darth JT
i get that censorship is a thing. it comes in all shapes, forms, sizes, colors, textures, etc in every country all over the globe. i was calling you dramatic, princess..

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illus UGHH Artist

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Seme__one- No worries. I wasn't taking it personal. Just explaining my personal point of view. I total understand the argument and I agree labeling anything "grown up" is pretentious and would be a turn off to younger people. There really is no good label that isn't "positive, conscious, backpack"...it's all looked at as elitist. That might even be an intentional attack by the industry that hates it for all we know.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could just label things quality or crap based on skill and performance rather than creating our own personal sub genres we approve of disapprove of? Songs could just be songs. Oh well. At this point in my life I've come to grips that I enjoy "grown up" rap. lol

And yeah- maybe when my kid is a rebellious ass hole 13 yr old I can enjoy music with swearing. Just as long as he doesn't rebel and listen to country music. ugh.

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Darth JT

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posted Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:00:38 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Darth JT
Just as long as he doesn't rebel and listen to country music. ugh.

god forbid

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Yeah man grown.music is performing hip hop in an office full of old cacs

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