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aeokq

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pretty special memories put the doom out on top for me, classic mems to rza and artifacts is a late 90's classic. the other ones cool, but i missed that wave by a few years and by the time i visited it, i see the appeal, but have only spun it less than a handful of times. i wish can ox woulda been woods and mega, no vast lol

i like playing this game aeo

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:48:48 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for COOLGUY JIMMY
Cannibal O handle you slow

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:55:19 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
this is actually a tough one for me

DANGER DOOM
the cold vein
artifacts
bobby digital

i doubt anyone else would agree with that order though. i have more memories of cool vein & the mouse and the mask than i do with the other two. i've heard people say that illmatic gave/gives them that feeling of being in new york, and i feel that same way about the cold vein - it's just the post-9/11 version of that.

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Lit Jagger

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:35:14 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
Cannibal Ox was wack. Buncha computer fruity loop sounding beats

Artifacts is the best

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:36:18 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Phatbeets
didnt jizz to any of those - sure those are good albums but none are classicx

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Lit Jagger

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:36:33 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
That's not a late 90s classic you dim wit. It came out in the mid 90s

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:36:58 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
same list as tippi's.

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Artifacts - best one of the 4 imo
RZA - underrated. even the songs I didn't like (Domestic Violence) are classic
DOOM - this is actually a really good album, but he's a fraud
Can Ox - overrated as fuck by ughhers

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:11:33 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for smelly mel
bobby digital is a personal favorite of mine

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:06:55 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
Artifacts
Bobby Digital
DANGERDOOM
Cold Vein

Bobby and Danger are 2a and 2b. Artifacts clear cut victor. Cold Vein one of the more overrated albums on here just like El-P is one of the more overrated producers on here.

Lulz at eseph calling an album released in 94 a "late 90's classic". Do your homework next time n00b.

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:45:35 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for mic_Data
Really? I couldn't stand that Bobby Digital. I guess I could revisit years later, but I don't know

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:03:27 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Skof   Click Here to Email Skof
artifacts

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:15:12 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
Bobby Digital, similar to Cold Vein with tippi, has nostalgia factor with me. There are still some great tracks on it...

B.O.B.B.Y.
Love Jones
N.Y.C. Everything
Mantis
Holocaust (Silkworm)
Terrorist
Bobby Did It (Spanish Fly)
Handwriting on the Wall
Kiss of a Black Widow

It flamed out a little bit towards the end.

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aeokq

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:29:16 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for aeokq   Click Here to Email aeokq
There are a few weak tracks on Bobby Digital, and RZA was coming with some eccentric shit, such as the opening track B.O.B.B.Y. Not a fan of My Lovin' is Digi, Love Jones, or the final two tracks either. The interludes with various languages slows it down as well. But there is some true heat as well. Holocaust (Silkworm) is one of my favorite RZA beats ever. Holocaust spits a deadly opening verse. Mantis with Masta Killa is another heater. Unspoken Word, Airwaves, NYC Everything, Kiss of a Black Widow (ill Inspectah Deck beat, RZA and ODB trading sick verses). I think that's a good album.

I listened to all these today. Between A Rock and A Hard Place is dope, that's why I included it, but that type of boom bap doesn't enthuse me anymore. Not tons of variety in mood or sound, not necessarily a bad thing but it seems a bit formulaic. However tracks like Wrong Side of the da Tracks and Dynamite Soul are classic and timeless. The final track with Busta Rhymes is great, Buckwild made a really dope jazzy beat.

A few years ago The Cold Vein might have been my top choice. I still think it's a good album, but the first half of the album is infinitely better than the second half, although Ridiculoid is damn good. So is Scream Phoenix. El-P's booming synths can be grating, a common description of his production style. But it's fuckin dope too, he blends samples with the synths to create an unparalleled sound. The lyrics on this album are really good and poignant at times. Iron Galaxy is a tremendous opening track, the beat switches and sounds like a combination of space and machines. Perfect track title.

Danger Doom is a great album. Very unique dope beats from Danger Mouse that complement MF Doom perfectly. Not much else to say, one of the best albums of the 2000s imo.

Hard to rank them, they all are fairly equal, could change on any given day depending on my mood.

Danger Doom
The Cold Vein
Bobby Digital
Between a Rock and A Hard Place

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Daddy Alfredo (Admin)

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:21:33 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
i love vast aire but can ox IS wack
dangerdoom
artifacts
bobby digi
cold vein

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posted Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:03:35 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Decepticon_1_Galvatron
CAN OX and in 20 years it ll be still CV.

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Daddy Alfredo (Admin)

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i tried so many times with the cold vein. outside looking in, it seems totally like some of the shit i like but el-p is wack at making beats, hes original as fuck but id say atleast 75% of his beats arent for me. i can think of maybe 3-4 songs on cold vein i like and thats it.

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Doom
Artifacts
Cannibal Ox
Rza

Those first three are all exceptionally close for me...

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Daddy Alfredo (Admin)

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i almost like dangerdoom better than madvillain. dangerdoom might be my favorite mf doom album. i kno were not doing this but.....



dangerdoom
madvillain
born like this
op doomsday
king geedorah



^^^^top 5 mf doom albums

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aeokq

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I think Madvillainy is a bit better.

By the way I change my top choice to The Cold Vein. I'm listening again, I recommend you guys listen to it late at night. Much better when it is dark outside. Album is classic. Beats are ridiculous and the raps are dope, Vast Aire's worplay is nice and Vordul's solemn style is a great complement. Good guest spots, not too many either.

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posted Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:48:40 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for eseph84   Click Here to Email eseph84
hey guys i glanced at the choices quick, i thought it was thats them

lol fuk yal

i'd still rank it the same (both those facts albums are equally dope)

clearly the reason i rank mine the way i did is cuz i got to experience the doom brand new, those types of mems are spesh.


fond recollections of the bobby digital i taped from a friend around the time it droppped

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By the way I change my top choice to The Cold Vein. I'm listening again, I recommend you guys listen to it late at night. Much better when it is dark outside. Album is classic. Beats are ridiculous and the raps are dope, Vast Aire's worplay is nice and Vordul's solemn style is a great complement. Good guest spots, not too many either.

agree 100% aeokq, the atmosphere on the album is crazy. it's cold, mechanical, dystopic, and even a little unsettling at times. i listened to that album on a bus ride home one night in the winter 7 or 8 years ago and it was one of the immersive and visceral experiences i've ever had listening to music.

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Cold Vain definitely tops the list for me. I can't stand Vast Aire, but even he couldn't fuck this album up.

Quintessential UGHH Classic

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i'll try that can ox at night guys. i did the same with black philip and that was an experience cuz i was driving out to a cabin to meet with friends and i was in the middle of nowhere ohio driving by myself right as it was getting dark . it def increased the vibes of the album and made it make more sense.

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tippi dink

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posted Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:12:16 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
clearly the reason i rank mine the way i did is cuz i got to experience the doom brand new, those types of mems are spesh.

that's one of the reasons i ranked DANGER DOOM at number one, i heard madvillainy and mm.. food only a few months before the mouse and the mask came out. i remember thinking "damn this album just came out and he's already putting out another one?" i couldn't believe DOOMs output during that time and i still can't now lol. listening to that album when it first came out also meant that all the references on there were still relevent.

the other reason is because i grew up watching all those shows on adult swim that are sampled/referenced on there space ghost, aqua teen hunger force, harvey birdman, sealab, futurama, etc. that's what i was watching at 13-14 years old when the album dropped, it was part of my childhood-early teenage years lol. it's the same reason i fuck with the stuff noveliss has been doing recently like mic swordz and toonami tsunamis, it's pure nostalgia for me.

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i bought a real copy and then burned one to keep in the car and for whatever reason during that era i have so many cruising memories to that danger doom album, in particular, the doom and ghost song. ironically, the other cd i burned a copy for the whip from that era that i have those strong memories about is the pretty toney album which had that atrocious misstep with missy but other than that, is certified classic (yes even "take me back" w jackie o cuz i would always play it when me and a gal broke up w/ me or if i lost my job back then lol- classic)

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posted Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:33:05 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for greg_h._valentine
Artifacts by a mile

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dj rolo

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posted Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:35:43 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for dj rolo
hard to compare albums from different eras, albums should only be compared from around the same year of release, pitting it against it's peers is my opinion

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tippi dink

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for sure rolo, otherwise you get a situation similar to what has happened here where people prefer one album over another because they were able to appreciate it when it first came out. between a rock and a hard place is dope, but i like 3 years old when that dropped so i have no real connection to it like i do with the others.

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pffft and you call your self a top notch god-esque-type hip hop fan, tippi? u mean to tell me you weren't bumpin that back when you were 3. pffft. i mean, i had ties to the west when when i was 9 in 95 so i didn't fox wit diss til later on when kool keith made me like east coast rap after sway and tech this or that cd when ruck & rock ripped that track w planet asia and crooked, but yeah, i expected more from you no mask.

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tippi dink

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man when i was 3 i'm pretty sure all i was bumping was the power rangers and rugrats intros. the first hip hop track i ever heard was probably the "kenan and kel" theme song that coolio did, or fresh prince of bel-air lol.

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1= artifacts- energy and style is shown for the time.

2= cold vein- ground breaking next level shit! no fruity loops involved as shit stain observe commented. El P is credible as he uses many pieces of gear and isnt a one trick pony.

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dj rolo

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tippi exactly

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im goin with bobby digital

I remember anticipating that album quite a bit back in the day because I loved everything rza....it wasn't what I expected it to be, but I think that was a good thing because it's held up over time a bit better that way. it's kind of eccentric and unique, but still has that bangin rza quality to a lot of the beats. one thing that doesn't get mentioned much is how dope rza was on here either....I think this album had some of his best work on the mic ever.

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aeokq

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^ Agree with that. RZA is dope on the mic, best producer to ever rap imo. I wish some of the weak tracks were replaced and this would be a classic album.

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i remember an era where i looked at rza as a super lyrical emcee around this, pick sickle shovel and birth of a prince. what happened after that? shit got weird during/after digital bullet imo

his worst verse ever was that verse on the last tony touch album

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on Daniel DOOM:

MF DOOM
Operation
Black Bastards

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Daddy Alfredo (Admin)

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i totally forgot mm...food thats tied with one of my top 5

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tippi dink

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for me it's:

the mouse and the mask
take me to your leader
madvillainy
mm..food
born like this
vaudeville villain
operation doomsday
key to the cuffs
black bastards
mr. hood
venomous villain

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Yo NWS this track/video is classic for sure...



Such a dope hypnotic beat with his aggressive ass rhymes counteracting it.

And yea good call Weather. This album and Pick, Sickle, Shovel were Rza at his peak lyrically.

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Nassau William Senior

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Dope Clock.

Like 15+ years ago, I saw RZA perform Domestic Violence live...let's just say it got little out of control at that moment.

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DANGERDOOM
ARTIFACTS
BOBBY DIGITAL
CAN OX
Cold Vein is a cool concept album
Theres song I like on there but which ones I listen to depends on my mood
thats kinda like an album you enjoy when your hella high on some shit and just gonna blaze the fuck out and vibe out to something different and expand your mind type shit
"Its a cold world out there" lol

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Dangerdoom

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Part 2 sucked...



^Digital Bullet had it's moments tho.

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might have to say cold vein. i mean artifacts album has t-ray and buckwild, that 90's energy etc but NOTHING sounds like cold vein.

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no mask

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digital bullet shoulda been called: the first turd. or was it the 3rd.

what was rzas first dud ass album.

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Digi Snacks was his garbage album. Birth of a Prince was cool but had some forgettable shit as well. That was the first official Rza album as his prior two releases were under the Bobby Digital moniker.

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^yeah, digital bullet then is his first shit turd for society to buy and praise!

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Bob Digi for the win. It's an unsung Wu masterpiece from the RZA

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Digital Bullet was nowhere near the level of illness as the first Bobby Digital album but the shit had some gems on it.

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^yeah gems for sure- or 2 at least.

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