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Paper Piff And Polo

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 2:40:13 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Paper Piff And Polo
Just wondering what your definition is of underground hip-hop?

I think its basically just anything thats not mainstream I guess.
I think about Eminem
He was definitely underground when he started
Even we he dropped his first Aftermath album
I still considered it Ughh

Where do you draw the line though?
Album sales
Social media presence?
I dont know anymore
What if someone was underground for ever then has a big hit song would you say they crossed over or got lucky?
I mean if it was a good song not one made for pop appeal and it just got popular
It happens all the time
So many fuckin labels and sub genre's today
Trap,crunk,indie,hyphy,nerdcore wtf is that?
Im just curious who you think is underground and who's not

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5th point

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 2:53:51 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 5th point   Click Here to Email 5th point
to me its about the style of music, i mean if theres some dude making autotuned club tracks and noone knows about him it still aint underground hip hop, if someone who does legit underground shit and they blow up theyre still underground hip hop to me unless they change their style....

i think the textbook definition is independent artist, no major label

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Lit Jagger

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 2:55:21 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
People just making u0 their own definitions . It's music that's not in the mainstream and not on the radio. Dude said it's a style 😂;😂;😂;

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Lit Jagger

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 2:59:44 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
Wait how was Eminem an ughh rapper when his album went multi platinum ?

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tippi dink

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:04:12 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
album sales, size of their following, and who they collab with i guess. the line between underground and mainstream has been blurred so much over the years that it hardly matters anymore, tbh. if an artist has songs on the radio, they're not underground. anderson paak was underground at one point, he was part of hellfyre club with milo, open mike eagle, busdriver, etc. then he was featured on compton by dre and after that he worked with the game, macklemore, schoolboy q, mac miller, tribe, and rapsody.

it's just such a broad spectrum now that i stopped caring. there are so many lesser known artists out there putting out music that is similar to what you might hear on the radio, because those are the artists that influenced them.

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no mask

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:05:43 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
its a sub genre and its not polished, pop or for the dumb ass masses. its usually raw, harder beats, real samples etc and can be very abstract and hard to follow at times- the opposite of the easily digestible bubble gum watered down rap observe prefers. and the emcees have to have skill and usually more substance. in underground rap artists have way more freedom with subject matter and for that reason its usually more against the grain or the political,cultural and musical conformity of the mainstream.

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88

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:10:05 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
i honestly don't care anymore. good music is good music, and it doesn't matter to me if everyone's listening to it, or if i'm the only person in the world listening to it.

music is too varied to try and slap labels on it, imo. the lines are too blurred.

also, since i don't listen to the radio, i have no idea what even is/isn't popular. iiwii.

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SC1989

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:22:21 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for SC1989
Style of the beat and the style of the emcee.
If you have some poppy beat with some soft lycris with some bullshit hook then your not underground
Underground is everyday man shit not I have 40 bitchs on my balls with a stack with a Justin Timberlake hook on a Pharrell beat orrr just randomly rhyming words cough Em cough
What is the number one song right now

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no mask

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:38:28 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
its more in the vein of pre 1997 rap in general- the golden era etc. ll cool j started a lot of that commercial shit on all his albums going back to i need love on "radio" in '85. Diddy came with that polished pop sample shit wich really led the way for more clean pop rap and money rap. so did g funk though- although some was dope. damn - some of the old classic love songs by LL were even dope- others did it too. but the real divide began around '97 with bad boy etc. then shit just kept getting more polished and less rap sounding every year. subject matter and rhymes got more dumbed down. it became cooler and cooler to be dumb, materialistic, uninformed, apathetic, demoralized etc. all by design by the c.i.a. etc. too. they killed empowered,smart, hard mainstream rap. we went from public enemy to lupe. lol-sad.and even lupe had a hard time trying to say shit with substance.
he conformed and compromised too.


http://raprehab.com/commercial-rap-a-pipeline-to-prison/

http://www.hiphopisread.com/2012/04/secret-meeting-that-changed-rap-music.html

many of your top veterans have talked about this.

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5th point

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 4:00:28 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 5th point   Click Here to Email 5th point
cosign no mask

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dyme secta

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 5:41:04 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for dyme secta
Artists projects funded and compensated via cryptocurrency.
Blockchain transactions for music consumption is underground

for the 21st century. Whats going on with the Musicoin project looks
extremely corporately masterminded. Passing for now. The principles
are fascinating and worth paying attention to. This is not advice. Later.

- dymesecta

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Paper Piff And Polo

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 5:46:28 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Paper Piff And Polo
This is not a reply.


PAPER PIFF AND POLO

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are u ready

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 5:55:07 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for are u ready
tippi and 88 with the long drawn out statements.. fuck up already

and why bring up anderson wakk?? he is not an emcee and never was so how was he ughh?

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tippi dink

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 6:16:21 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
eat my ass u fucking plebian

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Don-Barzini

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 6:24:11 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Don-Barzini
Youre not an underground rapper until 88 writes a thousand word paragraph about how much he likes you, jamming in as many commas as he can

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Clockworx (Admin)

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 6:32:14 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
It's all subjective and no one is going to 100% agree with each other's definition of it.

/end thread

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88

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 6:49:33 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
tippi and 88 with the long drawn out statements.. fuck up already

lol. i wrote six sentences. unless you have ADHD, that's not very long.

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dR.prOf

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:05:34 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for dR.prOf   Click Here to Email dR.prOf
In order for an album to be considered underground, it has to recieve approval from both wicked and ollie. All other music is worthless recycle bin fodder

Basic rules of the game

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Daddy Alfredo (Admin)

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:19:11 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
so many middle ground artists like bronson and flatbush zombies in particular. the ughh that this site was built on is dead. only people keeping it alive is jmt style rappers. throwback 90s gets labeled underground cuz its "real rap" lol. be honest people its good or its bad, it doesnt matter the views, the sales or wat dipshit u dont identify with bumps it. i like too much rap across the board to be boxed in.

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Lit Jagger

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 7:32:19 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
If it wasn't for Lupe this site would be dead

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5th point

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:06:23 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 5th point   Click Here to Email 5th point
^^lol explain please

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NoHeadlights

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posted Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:13:40 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for NoHeadlights
GP

Gay poast

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are u ready

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 12:02:52 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for are u ready
eat my ass u fucking plebian

i would kick ur ass u hipster fagit

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tippi dink

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 12:17:42 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
no u wouldn't id gun u down in the streets like the degenerate u are

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Lit Jagger

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 1:50:06 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
I don't know who has time to read 88 or tips essays. Never on social media have I seen members type long winded essays about bull shit 50x per day. Maybe they're the type of men that are emotional and love to talk all day with their girls. I bet they have no guy friends

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Lit Jagger

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 3:28:19 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
This is real ughh

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Seme__one

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 4:13:35 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Seme__one
"lol" at a few sentences being too much to read, maybe go to a kiddie forum like the coli, they do pop up pages with lots of pictures, they even got play money

it all used to be just Hip Hop, its all just good and bad music, it wasn't in sub genres until I guess the media decided to portray it so

underground was a movement or sound but really its just whatever artists what to call themselves, in the days of the net I can;t really see how anything can be truly underground

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are u ready

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 4:55:07 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for are u ready
no u wouldn't id gun u down in the streets like the degenerate u are

the only gun u shoot is your dick in your bum bitch or dildo in ur dyke ho

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tippi dink

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 9:16:23 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
observe you keep using the word essay but i don't think you actually know what it means. an essay isn't 5 sentences, and if it is then you've typed hundreds of essays on her.

the only gun u shoot is your dick in your bum bitch or dildo in ur dyke ho


ur god damn right u fucking twink, and after i'm done pleasuring myself i'm coming straight for that bussy. you better get a pillow to bite down on because i'm goin in dry.

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POP KILL

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 10:22:01 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for POP KILL
No observe, that's wannabe rap.

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88

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 10:52:05 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
karim's criticizing me for typing too much, in a thread where he's said more words than i have.

know when and where to throw your punches, you broke hoe.

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Paper Piff And Polo

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 3:42:42 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Paper Piff And Polo
You wanna know who the most underground rapper is in the whole world?


Immortal Technique



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no mask

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 4:47:22 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
like i said underground just stayed real to rap and even got more experimental and abstract when others went the pop,industry, watered down route. pretty simple. underground is more in the vein of the golden era and some is abstract but still has similar raw/hard qualities with samples and drums. its not for the money and not about suckin the industries dirty dick.

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dick_wolf

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 5:20:35 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for dick_wolf
something is made underground by a person or group of people or business that young and/or insecure people who feel the need to belong to and support a genre and image to the point of adjusting their own personal tastes to fit into that category says is Underground.

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Lit Jagger

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 6:28:12 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
Nope pop kill you listen to played out 80s rap you don't know shit

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no mask

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 6:40:39 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
the truth is real raps progression continued outside of the mainstream starting around '97 because of the industry fuckery, shit like bad boys pop rap etc. real rap became the underground!

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Texas_Underground1

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 9:00:56 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Texas_Underground1
At this point it's all just whatever. I agree with what kno said recently in a interview about it.

"I donít even know what ďunderground hip hopĒ is anymore. Thereís 100 SoundCloud rappers who arenít signed that most people have never heard of that can pack a 1,000-capacity venue in L.A. right now. I donít fucking know"

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no mask

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 9:30:12 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
^dosnt matter. underground meant -beneath the mainstream. the gritty, raw, real. the amount of fans makes no difference. its always been about the quality of the music.

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Lit Jagger

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posted Friday, November 10, 2017 11:03:47 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
Once again no mask doesn't know what he's talmbout

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dR.prOf

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Good post, texas. I think thats what really throws it off now is the popularity of live/local performers vs. stuff that's popularnon the radio

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breathcontrol

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