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Lit Jagger

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:09:40 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
You're not good at this are You? You have to take multiple review ratings and average out all of them. Lupe albums and roots are basically the same to critics

Also if black thought is so good and the roots make better music than why is Lupe out selling them by 10x?

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:10:19 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
and like i mentioned, consistency is a key factor. lupe just isn't that consistent, you might think he is personally but the majority of his fanbase doesn't. there's only one roots album that didn't get great reviews, and it was their last one. not saying it's his fault because he all know atlantic played a big part in that, but it is what it is.

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:17:52 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
that's exactly what i'm doing with RYM, lupe's highest rated album is a 3.6/5 average and the roots have four albums that are higher. that's taking the ratings of thousands of people into account. you arguing against that is like saying people prefer one movie with a lower score on imdb or metacritic over another.

also wheres your proof that lupe sold more? if you want to bring record sales into it, things fall apart went platinum and so did the cool, but the roots have more albums at at least 500k from what i can see.

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Paper Piff And Polo

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:18:20 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Paper Piff And Polo
Dude whats up with you and Lupe Fiasco?
That dude is the most overrated fuckin rapper I ever known of and yes thats my opinon and yes I bet other people agree.
Go look at the verse you quoted.
Anyone that has never heard the song and just reads the lyrics can see he just finds big words that rhyme together.
Shit dont even make sense like the words have no relation to the context they just exsist cause they rhyme together.
Brexit and Netflix? Shit dont even rhyme and what does Brexit have to do with Netflix? Nothing!
The more I analyze his raps the more corny and fuckin lame he appears and you can see why simpleton ass muthfuckas praise this dude its cause they dont have a dictionary and dont know what the fuck he is talking about

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Lit Jagger

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:22:59 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
I don't see any of these rappers calling black thought up for a feature but they would all call Lupe if Lupe did features which he doesnt 🙄;🙄;🙄;

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:23:45 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
you can even see it with lupe's album sales that people stopped fucking with him after lasers, that sold well but everything after that was downhill. he's inconsistent.

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:25:42 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
the fuck are you talking about? black thought has collabed with a ton of those artists before lol.

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LiquidDo$e

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:27:39 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for LiquidDo$e
Thats fuckin lame..

I thought there was a bunch of new responses about the cypher, maybe some new videos posted and its a bunch of posters arguing with Observe as if he's not just trying to get your panties in a bunch..

Fuck off you guys.

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Lit Jagger

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:27:58 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
Lupe has sold more than every roots album since he started . Roots have sold more before him but album for album roots have never sold more

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:28:45 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
i just proved that he didn't, but okay keep telling yourself that lol.

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:30:52 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
things fall apart went platinum after he started, and the reason lupe sold more in general after is because he was the hot new artist from 2006-2010. there were teenagers buying those albums that had barely heard any 90s albums period, and the roots have had albums out around the same time as lupe's that sold more initially.

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Paper Piff And Polo

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:31:58 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Paper Piff And Polo
Dude I never seen a grown mn so pssionate about Lupe he needs to send you a fuckin T-Shirt. I know you would wear it too if you dont already have one lol

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:36:26 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
did you say that t&y is his best album? because that only sold 79k. that's much less than undun and how i got over.

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Paper Piff And Polo

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:43:43 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Paper Piff And Polo
And honestly I was feelin Black Thought a lil more then Meth. Seemed like Black Thoughts verse was more smooth and effortless not cause Meth had to read off his phone I dont give a fuck about that it just seems like he hadnt even had anything picked out before he got there like they werent gonna ask him to spit. He had his phone out lookin like he had to dig up somethin to bust. Black Though didnt even stand up he just spit like he was tryin to tell you somethin sincere and it was dope.

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Lit Jagger

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:27:07 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
Lupe wasn't out when things fall apart came out

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Lit Jagger

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:29:02 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
I think you may be retarded actually

I said year for year Lupe has out sold the roots. Jeez you cant debate because you don't research

And tetsou has sold more than 79k

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Lit Jagger

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:32:51 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
", and the roots have had albums out around the same time as lupe's that sold more initially."

Thats a lie

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Clockworx (Admin)

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:36:30 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
Yo Observe were you heated irl that your hop hop dream wasn't about Lupe stuffing you like a Tanksgiving turkey?

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Paper Piff And Polo

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:37:41 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Paper Piff And Polo
Roots been around since the Early 90's bro they got like 20 fuckin albums everybody know who they are cause there on tv every week. Illadelph and Things Fall Apart are classic if you like them or not. Its not debatable. Thing Fall Apart won a grammy for album of the year sonically that album was recorded In Stereo which is rare today as it was then for a hip hop album. Im not on the Roots nuts or nothin but that was a good album. I always thought the single was like the weakest joint cause im not big on r and b hooks but if you play that on your headphones and listen to the music you will see it sounds like no ohter rap album. 20 years later

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Lit Jagger

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:42:30 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
Undun sold more than Lupe in the same year ?😂;😂;😂;

Undun sold 100k plus
Lasers sold 500k plus

Keep believing the hype that more people like black thought when they don't even buy his music

If black thought was good then why the roots 2 years ago sell 25k copies 🤔;🤔;🤔;

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Clockworx (Admin)

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:44:26 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:59:47 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
you never said year for year, you said total. i think you may be retarded actually, since you can't even rember what you typed an hour ago. you can't debate if you're going to keep moving the goalpost. also, show me the proof that tetsuo and youth sold more than 79k. the roots have sold more albums period, and they have a better and more consistent discography. there's one roots album that was recieved poorly by fans, and it's the one from a couple years ago that you mentioned which experimental and black thought was barely on it, the complain about that album was that black thought wasn't on it enough lol. even lupe knows that black thought is better than him.

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:03:58 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
without DOOM, aesop, and black thought your favorite rapper wouldn't even exist lol

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anti-stunna

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:35:35 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for anti-stunna
The moderators on here are a fucking joke for allowing this gap tooth skitzophrenic to ruin threads and post 5 times in a row about fucking Lupe Fiasco. Why cant you delete spam posts that have nothing to with the thread, .

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Clockworx (Admin)

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:37:22 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
^I clipped a thread of his earlier today where he name dropped Lupe in his OP. I got this bruh.

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anti-stunna

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:43:30 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for anti-stunna
Ok thanks Clox, sorry for any anger outbursts. You know how your boy WestideUndg is.

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Clockworx (Admin)

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posted Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:45:19 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
Observe's newfound Lupe obsession is his new method of trolling. Try to find a way to bring Lupe into any and every thread to annoy people.

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Lit Jagger

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:11:55 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
You have selective reasoning

It's clear I said that Lupe has sold more albums tic for tac with the roots since he came out

Also it's clear those rapoers called him one of the best


Just cuz some old Adida sweat suits back pack bus pass having vinyl shopping call back thought the greatest , doesn't make it true. Black thought is one dimensional and I've heard more than a few people say this in real life and on face book. Meaning he raps about the same old thing in all his songs.
How can he out rap Lupe when he can't even double time ? Lupe can rap very slow and very fast and still make it smart.

Plus Lupe has lived the life black thought raps about. Black thought raps about social conditions whereas Lupe was raised militant because his pops was a black panther.

What has black thought done ? If I remember correctly Lupe has bought tents , generators , and food for the homeless


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tippi dink

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:12:51 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
my favorite rappers gave birth to your favorite rapper

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tippi dink

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:17:27 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
this shit is even up for debate honestly, you're comparing an artist with a discography that's 95% good, to another with a 50% batting average. 3 great, one weak, and 2 that are straight up awful.

also lol at you bringing up a bunch of irrelevant shit that has nothing to do with the music. it doesn't matter who bought what for homeless people or who donated to what charity, none of that matters when you're talking about who is the better artist.

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tippi dink

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:18:11 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
isn't even up for debate*

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Funkman_doe

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:14:05 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Funkman_doe
Im more hype on a Meth verse in 2017 then I have been in as long as I can remember I(bar the obvious) another example of an emcee perfecting his style

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Dyme Secta

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:50:16 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Dyme Secta
Super content for Sway In The Morning from these two emcees.
It is dope to see them go into rare form. The J.I.D beat is audio
magma nice pick from the show producer.

Method Man set it and ended off with great energy and delivery.
No Hate for the written verses. He brought magma.

Black Thought is super calculated with his rhymes and stays true
to his roots and represents his style properly. Magma performance.

Quality Post. Later.

- dymesecta



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dj rolo

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:35:50 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for dj rolo
damn they killed this shit...i didn't think Meth still had it in him, respect to both emcee's

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:50:04 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
black thouhgt has better collabs too. serious classics. roots got like 10 dope albums, 5 classics. lupe has 2 dope and no classics..

im not homophobic observe but why you so hot for lupe? seems like its more than the music for you.

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:06:59 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
on the real though busting a written isnt impressive especially from your phone. shit deserves no thread. dope verses big time but...

new wu tang (not clan) album in 2 days. and hopefully i dont have to be critical again.

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ci_fus

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:39:07 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for ci_fus
Method man has been doing off the top freestyles for 30+ years. If the man wants to read from his phone, let him.

Id rather him read from the phone and come nice like he did vs not doing anything. Considering how weak the game is right now a legend like Meth doing anything like this today is good enough for anyone who is a Method man fan.

How are you going to say it's not thread worthy like you could do better or even close?

Can't possibly be a Method fan and say that. Maybe more a critic, and not a good one at that.

There is a level or respect lacking in here.

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:49:00 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
^ nope, nope and nope! your saying "how weak the game is" so he can rap off the phone is just you sinking to the weak levels. he's not 60. hes just not much of an emcee nowadays. but he did show promise in his lyrics with the details of intertwining rhymes. dope. but the real skill is off the head freestyles and standing dosnt hurt either. yall are showin your unawareness defending this. reciting writtens while siting? hahahhahaha. meth was with def jam too long.

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anti-stunna

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:15:07 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for anti-stunna
stfu no mask you little bitch. Method Man is still a monster on the mic.

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:47:33 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
Yo no mask you're nitpicking the phone shit to the point where im questioning if you're trolling or not. If it was some tight jeaned newjack that was doing it then bring the hate but dudes a legend. He gets a pass.

Also it seems like, from the first few seconds in the video, they were caught off guard about having to spit some bars.

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:55:36 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
^ no clock and LOL at anti-stunna triggered!

being an emcee means you can drop verses at a drop of a dime and dont need a fuckin mini computer to do so. relying on that external computer is wack although current misled popular culture embraces it. maybe meth was pressured at the last minute to drop new "bars"-lol- but he should have just off the headed the shit in that case. phones in the booth are wack too. get a rhyme book you robots!

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:58:41 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
rappers wernt reading off rhyme book on sway and tech etc. pre smart phones etc.

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Clockworx (Admin)

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:00:24 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
That try hard hip hop purist shit is so 2010.

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:03:35 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
^its keeping the talent real and not depending on technology. valid, important shit but many rappers who can do dope albums arnt really great emcees.

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Paper Piff And Polo

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:06:08 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Paper Piff And Polo
Someone need to start offering all the wack rappers like 10gz to bust a freestyle on the spot
Like catch em off guard on some Punkd kinda shit.
Weed out alot of these mumble jumble cats

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Clockworx (Admin)

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:09:05 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
Method Man is a legend. You're in the minority if him reading off a cell phone is going to taint him in your eyes.

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:43:40 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
^ meth is amazing. Will always think that. Tical is a top 10 of all time album for me. His voice, flow, rhyming ability, personality etc. Just want dudes to keep the bar high.

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Lit Jagger

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:02:46 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lit Jagger
Freetyling doesn't mean you're a good rapper it means you have a extra set of skills , all those grind time rapoers can freestyle but can't rap worth a shit on a song. I remember this known free stylerll beat me on stage at the club years ago and I've heard alot of his songs on youtube and he can't rap for shit, I'm a way better rapper than him but not better off the head

And meth prob wrote that verse a few nite s before you expect him to remember it lol

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Dyme Secta

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posted Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:15:37 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Dyme Secta
Method Man said it was a written. Didnt try to play the people.
Black Thoughts verse seemed off the top. A nice part of it.
Now days there are no rules. Later.

- dymesecta

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are u ready

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method fell off years ago, if you dont know that then i feel sorry for u

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posted Thursday, October 12, 2017 7:14:09 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Monev360
Black Thought is a beast! Even Method Man knew what time it was and he's dope too!

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