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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 7:41:58 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
rolo had a good point too. its not for everyone but its creative etc and i respect it. they are 2 important artists.

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 7:42:34 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
i really don't understand how you could say there's no emotion in their rapping lol

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 7:46:24 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
^^^why cuz of wat ther saying tippi? it doesnt matter if its on a flat line. i dont expect tears to roll down ther face but think bout people of past. (no joke here) but pun sounded like he was gonna eat the mic, dmx sounded so fucking angry and jay displayed an aura that absolutely solidifies him as the goat. early eminem etc. cmon dude. this has a place but its hardly something i can see as a favorite of someone into the genre. its very very boring. i appreciate it and the lyrics are creative but its just mehhhh. thers no mood of mine where id seek this.

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 7:48:48 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
dare i say if this type of music is ur favorite that rap prolly isnt the main genre for u

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 7:57:23 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
wen u sacrifice wat rap was built on, raw emotion (anger and joy) its cunty. im done. this shit is cunty, just like denmark vessy, open mike eagle and watever bandcamp comedian out there. not everyone is doom, not everyone can be roc marcy (referring to fahims camp) the vast majority of shit ive been rec'd specifically thru bandcamp has been trash bin and knock off or parody of good rap music. this is not the type of art i appreciate cuz again im not a cunt. im finished tippi

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why cuz of wat ther saying tippi? it doesnt matter if its on a flat line. i dont expect tears to roll down ther face but think bout people of past.

no, by their delivery. i think it's pretty easy to tell when billy woods is being sarcastic, humourous, serious, or if he's angry. it's subtle but i never considered him this emotionless robot of a rapper that you're making him out to be.

this has a place but its hardly something i can see as a favorite of someone into the genre.

dare i say if this type of music is ur favorite that rap prolly isnt the main genre for u

this shit is so dismissive dude, get out of here with that nonsense lol. so if someone likes a type of rap you don't then that means they like hip hop less than you? hip hop has been the main genre for me since i was like 13 years old lol, and billy woods is one of my favorite rappers ever.

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 8:00:40 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
^^^ i like something from every sub genre. i dig illingsworth and hes funny and a comedian but thers a line. subtle sarcasm lol wtf. go film school u faggot rapper, rhyming isnt for u. go write dick bag movie and give the mic to someone pissed off or just lost ther homie.

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complaining about and dismissing something because you don't personally like it makes you sound like a cunt though lol. 99% of the time it's easy for to accept and understand the appeal of something even if it doesn't resonate with me personally.

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 8:03:24 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
but besides this tipperoo ive peeped everything in full uve ever rec'd. im allowed to dismiss it. i gave it a chance. i dont blindly hate a damn thing. i kno why i dont like future or drake because ive listened to ther music! ill make time and endure ne type of rap just so i can form a nasty dickhead reply to people that big it up likes its the new new. its boring and not for me.

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 8:07:58 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
^^^i make cunt comments, im far from a cunt but unlike most men i can fully admit wen im being a bitch about something. im just enjoying this back and forth now loewi. and i dont hate nebody here, its fucking music. listen to wat u like but if we didnt have these back and forths and everyone agreed, then wat? im a massive dickhead for likeing riff raff, admittedly atomic dickhead lol

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 8:16:04 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
^^^why? but can u admit being mad or talking deep about a lost loved one is way more impactful or entertaining then this? nobody is gonna compare these guys to neone. its new ground, not bad but not good either. too many dudes were influenced by doom and keith and its so hard to pull off. i can name maybe 5-6 rappers that were heavy into them that do. and again thers dozens like this.

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 8:17:06 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
its influenced by doom but so left field ther not gonna compare it. shouldnt be lumped together newhere near it either.

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not hearing the lack of emotion but ok...dmx lacks emotion more he just always sounds angry so hes lacking every other emotion right?

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 8:21:30 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
^^^wat is it "vocal inflection" "vocal range" wen ur monotone it doesnt matter how mad u are. its like the best food on earth but lacks something as simple as salt.

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 8:22:15 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
dmx cries to

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 8:24:26 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Post Coital Cigarette
idgi, whats so good about this?

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getting back on track- this album is just o.k.

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 8:30:14 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
and billy and elucid arnt next level emcees. there above average but not near the next shit.

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^what am i listening too? real next level lyrical shit and beats that aint subdued awkward overly abstract. niether one of these dudes fucking with me.

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^of course there not next level! what? you thought they were myka 9 or knowself level? that could never be.

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 8:59:03 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
but can u admit being mad or talking deep about a lost loved one is way more impactful or entertaining then this?

it can be, or it might not be. all depends on the artist, their delivery, and their choice or words. like i said i think billy woods is one of the most captivating/engaging rappers out there right now. i also feel the same way about ka, their rapping makes me want to pay attention to what theyre saying. i don't need a rapper to come right out and say "hey i'm angry" or "hey i'm sad" to understand that they are, and i never felt that billy woods was emotionless or boring to listen to. that's just me.

billy and elucid arnt next level emcees. there above average but not near the next shit.

agree to disagree, i think they're two of the best rappers/lyricists out there right now and neither of them have put out an album since 2010 that was less than great.

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 9:03:29 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for dj rolo
been in constant rotation tonight and damn this shit is real dope

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^there not next level at all. aesop rock is for example but they are not.

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 9:09:37 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
81 responses and like 3 of them about the actual content on the album lulz.

Haven't heard a lot of projects from them as a group or solo but this is my favorite of the bunch...

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i disagree, billy woods dropped 8 great projects back to back and doesn't have any weak verses. his consistency alone is enough for me to consider him a next level rapper.

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^ consistency refers to maintaining the same quality and can not make someone next level. however it can make them great! guys like billy, elucid etc arnt in the same arena as myka 9, aesop rock, eligh, longevity,xololanxinxo, busdriver or radioinactive ,pharoahe monch or dose one etc.

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^as emcees elucid and billy are locked into 1 style also (so is aesop rock etc) but true masters got many styles and have substance and lyrics all at the same time!those masters are myka 9 , dose, busdriver,pharoahe xololanxinxo,radioinactive knowself etc.

to throw elucid and billy into that high realm is just silly and making people look like they didnt hear a lot of the ILL underground rap from the west from 95-2003. shits documented.

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 9:41:49 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
the quality he maintains is greatness. myka 9, eligh, and busdriver have all put out underwhelming projects that aren't up to par with their other albums. billy woods is top 10 for me. artists like myka 9 and busdriver (who is another one of my favorite rappers) are better on a technical level but ultimately form follows function for me. i value an artist who can be consistently dope 100% of the time.

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^concepts is not a rhyme style!

at tippi

there are so man that maintain a great quality but are 1 dimensional! and although they are consistent doing 37 great albums they may not be as talented or well rounded as the great masters. its quality not quantity. and as far as myka and other actual next level emcees not having as many great albums- their skill/soul/style//creative contribution as emcees outweighs lesser average emcees with 43 dope albums.aesop rock and many known considerably above average emcees (but not next level) have admitted the good life is scary.

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busdriver myka 9 and dose are all dope but being honest its hard to understand what dose ones saying alot of the time but i do love his delivery....but putting knowself at that level, you sure you dont use drugs?

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^ do your homework. knowself is one of the most lyrical and creative ever and has like 7 styles. hes also the off the head freestyle champ of canada.

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 10:08:54 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
more lyrical and next level then almost anybody:

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posted Friday, November 03, 2017 10:12:00 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
i'm not speaking on technical skill or style alone. it's voice, flow, delivery, creativity, lyricism, beat selection, ability to put together albums. style/technique isn't the only thing that matters, and what billy woods lacks he makes up for in other ways.

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^ your more talking "artist" and the making of albums etc. rather than just "emcee". and thats super important. id still take mykas, drivers, dose etc over billy and elucid. to be a better artist dosnt mean your a better emcee but it has its benefits.

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those are all skills that a rapper can have though, rappers who make rap MUSIC. all of those aspects count, unless you're talking battles or freestyling but none of those things really exist in the capacity they did 15 years ago. i'm going based on lyricism, consistency, overall strength of their discography, and how much they stand out as a rapper. so if you want to be technical, i guess what i'm saying is i consider billy woods to be a next level hip hop artist lol.

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no mask that song was ok but nowhere near any of the aforementioned artist, at times it sounds like someone reading excerpts from a physics text book, speading it up, and putting drums behind it, but if you enjoy knowselfs music as much as your other favs good for you.

starting to like rome more through the second listen, elucids lyrics are super dense in this, nice contrast to billy's subtle metaphors and simpler rhyme patterns

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^lol at 5th- im knowself man and there was 2 lines about physics . see! fools just dont know! check the wordplay goof! check the vocab, flow, etc. wont big myself up too much but FUCK fools are un schooled.

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an emcee is an emcee. an emcee who is also a music artist is another thing as not all all emcees area able to put their time to making albums and artist related shit (videos,interviews more albums) etc. you put billy or elucid in a room with mikah or dose or driver- who walking out!?

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^i wrote them in 1998 man! you want me to recall and type em all out!? lol

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type 70 bars for you? nope!

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an emcee is an emcee. an emcee who is also a music artist is another thing as not all all emcees area able to put their time to making albums and artist related shit (videos,interviews more albums)

it's not always about having the time to put into it, it's a skill just like anything else. an emcee might be good at rapping but unable to put together a solid, cohesive album if their life depends on it. when i'm comparing artists, i'm comparing everything lol.

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im so unschooled its crazy...but everything youve complained about with rome is in the track you posted, i even said the song was alright and told you my issue with it. and how are you not trying to "big up" yourself? you literally just said your one of the top 5 rappers on the planet, thats assuming your knowself, how hard could it be for you to prove it and dead the debate?

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^ but many can man and most songs are clear for most to hear lol. some cant. i know its not well recorded . dudes didnt have good mics or know how to record my deep voice back then. many other great classics are the same but are also known as classics. i remember back when i was getting all the non prophets/dose/anticon /shapeshifters/c.v.e. demos/albums on cassette sometimes it was harder to hear the words but i learned.

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an emcee is not necessarily an artist tippi. its a metaphysical act of expression etc. the most amazing and skilled emcee in the world could have 0 albums! in fact many of the best rappers have less than 3. while many of the more egotistical fools desperate to make it as an "artist" lay it on too thick with lots of more average rhymes and songs/albums.

also to prove true emcee skill you need to be a dope off the head freestyler which i DID ans was chosen to judge battles etc cause i was too good to be in the fuckin battles. Scratch Bastid will tell you that.

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i'm not debating that, i'm just saying we're talking about two completely different things.

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spatulas?

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ive been talking about the same thing all along. above average dudes like elucid and billy, mach hommy etc. arnt next level emcees. there not even on Pharoahe Monch's or aesop rocks level let alone myka 9's or busdrivers or radioinactive, xololanxinxo, otherwize or aceyalone's (in his prime). example: the god fahim is a better artist than all of the above but isnt touching any of them as an emcee.

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lol at fahim being a better artist

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thanks for that though, i needed a good laugh. i really don't understand how you could say fahim is a better artist than busdriver, aceyalone, billy woods, or aesop rock. he's prolific, but due to that all of his projects end up being forgettable. fahim has yet to put out a project with any weight to it, and i'd take the smaller discographies over fahim's dumping any day.

and to be clear, you've been talking about something different than i have this time because you have a different definition of what makes a rapper great than i do. this just isn't going to be something we'll ever agree on and that's cool, but i do consider dudes like billy woods, ka, zeroh, and elucid to be next level rappers. when i'm looking at rappers and trying to rank them, i'm taking everything into consideration.

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posted Saturday, November 04, 2017 1:08:07 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for SC1989
Fahim is nothing but a waterdown Coremega and nothing original

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Laugh all you want. Im happy to entertain you and as far as im concerned we will always be allies on here tip. You know your shit. Fahim as an artist is better just as far as being so prolific and also being a dope producer adds to his value as an artist.not saying hes more creative or skilled then them but he is a double threat. An emcee to me is the person and their skill, style, soul,substance etc. The inner. where as an artist is the emcee who creates albums and also sells himself as a brand, involved in the outer or external culture with videos, interviews, merch etc. As in recording artist. Im not refering to the artist in the creative sense.

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yeah i completely disagree with that, fahim puts out a ton of projects but still has less truly great songs than artists who only put out one project every year. like you said before, it's about quality, not quantity. aesop rock produces and raps, and still has projects he released 15 years ago that people still talk about and listen to today. i can't see fahim making a real impact whatsoever, i believe he's a flash in the pan and you won't hear anything about him 10 years from now. and to be clear, i am refering to an artist in the creative sense lol. lyricism, concepts/subject matter, beat choice, cohesiveness of their work, overall consistency, how much they stand out from other rappers. artists who at least try to push the boundaries a little bit. that stuff is what's most important to me. imo it doesn't really matter if a rapper has skills if they don't utilize them, it's almost like wasted potential.

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