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Paper Piff & Polo

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posted Monday, December 18, 2017 1:52:05 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Paper Piff & Polo
So im on the fence about this shit
I was lookin at the MMG wiki today.
Thats a weird label.
Its based in Tucson Arizona for one.
Its based out of some dudes house. (you can Google Earth the address)
They employ one person supposedly (prob him)
Its says the annual revenue is only $60,000 a year which isnt that much considering how many releases they put out and the company is only worth $500,000. Seems kinda low but these are probably just general estimates and im not sure when it was pub. so theres that but its that accurate then I dont know.

Here there Buzzfile link:

http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Mello-Music-Group,-LLC-520-437-2704

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NoHeadlights

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posted Monday, December 18, 2017 2:03:11 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for NoHeadlights
Tucson, AZ my hometown, city where the skinny ngas ride at, city where the skinny ngas die at

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tippi dink

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posted Monday, December 18, 2017 2:05:13 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
yeah some of this doesn't seem very accurate

buzzfile says mello music group was founded in 2014, but it was actually founded in 2007.

that alone makes me question the validity of the rest of the info here.

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Paper Piff & Polo

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posted Monday, December 18, 2017 2:21:29 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Paper Piff & Polo
I just read in an article it wasnt incorporated into a legit llc utill 2014

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Paper Piff & Polo

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posted Monday, December 18, 2017 2:22:40 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Paper Piff & Polo
And honestly thats around the time they started poppin up everywhere
thats around the time I first heard anything from them

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Nassau William Senior

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posted Monday, December 18, 2017 2:28:18 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Nassau William Senior
The reason buzzfile shows 2014 is that was the year the business became a LLC. Before that Michael was running the business as Sole Prop. You would only do that for tax purposes and personal protection.

Knowing what I know about small business and MMG, they are probably doing around $250k-$350k in total revenue yearly. Not bad, but not rich either.

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tippi dink

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posted Monday, December 18, 2017 3:02:53 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
that makes sense, i would have assumed it was way before that. 2012 or 2013 since thats when i noticed them getting more recognition with releases like trophies, dice game, ugly heroes, beauty in all, city under the city, tangible dream etc.

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eseph84

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posted Monday, December 18, 2017 3:03:16 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for eseph84   Click Here to Email eseph84
why did i used to think oddisee ran this label?

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tippi dink

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posted Monday, December 18, 2017 3:11:39 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
i don't know if this is still the case but i remember years ago i read in an interview that oddisee and apollo brown helped run the label. maybe that's what you're thinking of.

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Clockworx (Admin)

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posted Monday, December 18, 2017 6:49:50 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
What independent UGHH label balling the most last 5-10 years? Rhymesayers?

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hostyle

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:07:30 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for hostyle
If you look too much into indie labels or "indie" artist like that who blow up out of nowhere, you end up seeing some really wild shit https://i.imgur.com/OzB2A6b.gifv

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WiCkEd22

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:18:20 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for WiCkEd22   Click Here to Email WiCkEd22

I've always loved Mello Music Group... was first aware of them in 2008 with the Oddisee "101" CD I bought... then other Oddisee albums and Diamond District, Apollo Brown, The Left, Trek Life, yU, etc. My love for them as a label has gone down in recent years. And of course I gotta mention how they are the worst with Vinyl delays. You'd think by now they'd have that shit worked out, but NOPE!! smh

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eseph84

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:30:30 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for eseph84   Click Here to Email eseph84
yeah, its too bad wicked, it seems like they kinda peaked a few years back. it must've been around when they went llc. at first, i was happy cuz the cd's were now in my fav record shops here in and around cleveland, but this year the trend thats killed me with a lot of my fav releases was the release of the digital sometimes months before the cd/record/tape even dropped (trying to get fans to multi purchase possibly?) that they def partake in. i ain't feeling that trend. some releases people been bumping for months and i haven't even heard yet, but oh well it is what is. i still need to get anchovies so that won't be on my years best list fuck i wish i woulda got it before the xmas season lol. not even sure if rec den got that joint cuz they now don't "just get" every mmg release like they were a few years back shit lol!

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eseph84

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:40:09 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for eseph84   Click Here to Email eseph84
i really ain't mad at mello for releasing all the mr lif related projects these last few years. people are sleeping on the fantastic perceptionists release that dropped this year, but one thing mmg needs to do is get back to its og heavy hitters like has lo and people like has lo or boog brown that literally became stars on mmg and also made mmg who they were (along with oddisee and ab) they kinda got away from that over time it seems but im happy they brough open mike eagle and even serengeti into the fold. idk they really are a pretty great label. stik figa, l orange, etc. etc. they made hip hop stars out of these guys imo and the list goes on... whatever happened to hassan mackey?

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dj rolo

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:54:53 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for dj rolo
def one of my favorite labels since 2007, but they peaked a couple years back and i don't really check for they stuff like i used to tbh, but i'm sure they could still drop a banger at any time

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CAChri$t(IE)

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 9:15:21 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for CAChri$t(IE)
I thought Oddisee ran the label for the longest time too.

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lex718

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 9:55:05 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for lex718
at NWS what information do you base a 250K-350K estimate on? Real question, not trying to be a dick, it just seems to me like a lot more than I would anticipate them to pull in (in revenue) for the type of product they release.

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dj rolo

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:52:23 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for dj rolo
^type of product, or amount of product? two very different items...and i think they def deserve that amount of profit because they do put out solid releases every time.

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:00:38 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink
mello music group is one of the most consistent labels out there imo, i liked almost every single release they put out from 2011-2014.

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Selah

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:03:02 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Selah
I donít think lex meant type of product as in sub par I think he meant niche market.

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Nassau William Senior

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:17:29 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Nassau William Senior
I just looked at their total releases in 2016 - they dropped 14 projects. Assuming they all came out on vinyl, CD and digital (with some coming out on cassette)...and taking into account all the other merch...I might even be low.

If they sold around 2000 copies on average per release (total CD's, vinyl and digital sales).

2000 physicals or downloads x 14 releases x $10 = $280,000 gross sales.

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lex718

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:00:43 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for lex718
Ok, that makes sense as to how you got that number. I'd be very interested in knowing the actuals. They do have a broad base and can see the numbers exceeding 2K for a number of their acts while others may not crack that tier.

But 10 per unit may be a little high when you consider the overhead. Much of their merchandise will go to retailers first at a lower cost and those general figures will more than likely amount to less than 10 a unit (especially when they don't sell out). Then, the manufacturing costs which cut into some of the expenses and the amount they pay the artists to release the products.

There are other revenue streams outside of the merchandising (Performance Royalties, Streaming revenue, show bookings, etc.) so the final number may very well reach into that ball park. Just kind of hard to imagine the legwork that's gotta go into it in this (as Selah mentioned) niche market which can be extremely fickle.

I know firsthand that what you see in people's bandcamp collections isn't much of an indicator to the all encompassing success of a release, but if you look at it as a barometer, It's hard to imagine certain products exceeding 2K in sales.

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Nassau William Senior

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:35:22 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Nassau William Senior
But 10 per unit may be a little high when you consider the overhead. Much of their merchandise will go to retailers first at a lower cost and those general figures will more than likely amount to less than 10 a unit (especially when they don't sell out). Then, the manufacturing costs which cut into some of the expenses and the amount they pay the artists to release the products.

When I mention the gross sales of $250k-$350k, you don't factor in any of the overhead or manufacturing costs. It's the final sale price to the retailer or the public. For example, when they sell a vinyl copy for $25 off their website, that all goes towards gross sales. When they sell a vinyl copy to a retailer, they probably get $12-$15. And CD's are even less so an average of 10 per unit has to be close.

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lex718

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 4:27:49 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for lex718
When you mentioned revenue initially I interpreted it as net as opposed to gross. But I do appreciate you breaking it down.

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Daddy Alfredo (Admin)

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 7:57:50 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
im not a fan of the direction oddisee has taken. but i dig almost everything apollo brown does. ther a good label but redef is way better.

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no mask

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:18:06 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for no mask
^redef got klaus and he shits on apollo!

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Daddy Alfredo (Admin)

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:25:18 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
redef has klaus, k def and damu.

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Clockworx (Admin)

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posted Tuesday, December 19, 2017 9:49:05 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
Id take Shinigamie Records discog over MMG's last few years.

Peak MMG years for me were from 2010 to 2013.

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Paper Piff & Polo

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posted Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:36:12 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Paper Piff & Polo
Thats interesting, so I compared it Rhymesayers since that was mentioned above.
Same site says there annual income is $300,000
Alot more then MMG I would say.
Only (4) employee's lol but at least they have an actual biz office

http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Rhymesayers-Entertainment-LLC-612-977-9870

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Paper Piff & Polo

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posted Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:39:30 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Paper Piff & Polo
Stones Throw same thing


http://www.buzzfile.com/business/Stones-Throw-Records-323-259-8200

There the biggest so for (10) employee's

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dj rolo

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posted Wednesday, December 20, 2017 8:25:18 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for dj rolo
2014 was a good year for Mello Music too, don't forget them releases. i'd say 2014 was their peak year

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mentallySpeaking

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posted Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:56:50 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for mentallySpeaking   Click Here to Email mentallySpeaking
Hasaan Mackey is around, still making crazy beats.


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Selah

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posted Wednesday, December 20, 2017 2:22:36 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Selah
https://issuu.com/daveweber9/docs/stones_throw_annual_report

Those numbers for Stones Throw make me feel that site is total bullshit. So I found this which appears to be an actual company report / write up commissioned by the company itself. Page 16 starts a detailed financial breakout. Considerably more net profit listed and 24 employees.

So I wouldnít trust any of the numbers for any of the other labels either.

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Litney Spears

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posted Thursday, December 21, 2017 3:37:39 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Litney Spears
They don't sell 2000 units on one album they're not even on soundscan they're doing under 1k units

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Selah

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posted Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:58:09 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Selah
Maybe they donít register their releases for SoundScan.

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EddieB

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posted Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:10:21 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for EddieB
Ive never seen any MMG releases chart before honestly.
I think they have a very small die hard fan base

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Phatbeets

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posted Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:57:24 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Phatbeets
They had bomb stuff like AB, Diamond district, the left, Has-lo and oddisee stuff that I wont post.
Really liked those and "the EARN" by Yu is my favorite and such a slept on gem..
Not feeling their current artists (red pill, Open Mike Eagle etc - I dont even particularly like l'orange tho he is hyped to death around here)











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