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dj rolo

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posted Monday, September 04, 2017 7:10:49 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for dj rolo
Prof. just remember everything you typing

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'95 Source Awards

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posted Monday, September 04, 2017 9:30:27 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for '95 Source Awards
LEEEEAAAAKKKK

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Heavy365

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posted Monday, September 04, 2017 9:32:11 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Heavy365
Someone just drop this shit already

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wicked 22.2

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posted Monday, September 04, 2017 9:33:07 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for wicked 22.2   Click Here to Email wicked 22.2
Rolo pls dont hurt him, he's just a virgin

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dr.proF

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posted Monday, September 04, 2017 9:49:45 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for dr.proF   Click Here to Email dr.proF
Rolo does this mean I'm going to be able to meet my favorite top 40 DJ

Wicked22 smd you old fudd

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Heavy365

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posted Monday, September 04, 2017 10:04:47 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Heavy365
Y'all beefing I just wanna hear the project that is all lol

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wicked 22.2

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posted Monday, September 04, 2017 10:49:56 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for wicked 22.2   Click Here to Email wicked 22.2
lol

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wicked 22.2

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posted Monday, September 04, 2017 10:56:10 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for wicked 22.2   Click Here to Email wicked 22.2
so prof you wanna throw down for a copy of this album?

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dr.proF

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 12:52:26 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for dr.proF   Click Here to Email dr.proF
I actually really would, if someone wants to put together some kind of kickstarter or whatever. Dunno the legality of it all or if mach would allow it but im in if we can do it

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dr.proF

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 12:53:44 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for dr.proF   Click Here to Email dr.proF
All we need is 9 people and it's a 20 dollar purchase

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:16:32 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
people spending this kind of money on 11 tracks they've never heard before is insane to me.

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Daddy Alfredo (Admin)

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pretty sure the insecurity runs strong in these guys and if one of ther projects thats in the hundreds did terrible they wouldnt do this nemore. were starting to see it now with some fahim stuff being 11 and 12 bucks. i also agree at who the fuck they think they are cuz ther far from the best. and this makes me hate being a rap fan cuz im lumped in with assholes and losers that will pay 187 bucks for this bullshit.

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:35:50 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
exactly gino, and just think if no one bought those projects for $100+ in the first place then the projects that followed that would have been cheaper. i'm sure even the people who are willing to fork over their life savings for a collection of songs they have no idea they'll even like would prefer to pay $15 instead of $200. instead, people kept buying everything he put out no matter the price and now is discography costs almost 2 grand lol.

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88

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:46:42 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
good points, alfredo dink.

the fans that actually pay the higher prices are encouraging the artists to keep doing the high price thing. in effect, the fans paying the higher prices are preventing every other fan from hearing these projects, since the project prices would lower if no one bought them at those high prices. the 1%ers are fucking every one else here (and by "1%ers", i don't mean the richest, i mean the dumbest, because, again, who the hell would spend $187 on 11 tracks you've never heard before?)

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88

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:47:19 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
also, alfredo dink equals the voltron of gino and tippi.

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Daddy Alfredo (Admin)

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:50:06 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Daddy Alfredo
i like uncle tippi alfredo hernandez

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tippi dink

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that's been my point all along but people just kept calling me a hater lol. the problem isn't that people are spending money of a project, they can do whatever they want with their money. the thing is that when people buy these overpriced albums it tells the artist "this works, keep doing it" and the prices will keep going higher and higher until the albums don't sell anymore. this could also potentially encourage other artists to follow suit. imagine living in a world where every single album was 150 dollars. it's a slippery slope.

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 11:14:39 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
"my crew forms like voltron" - every 90s rap group ever probably

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wicked 22.2

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 12:02:53 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for wicked 22.2   Click Here to Email wicked 22.2
Ok but do you want to throw down and get a copy together? We have 2 people by now. Tryna get 9.

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dj rolo

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 1:17:19 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for dj rolo
^ finally a respectful discourse, i can fucc wit that. y'all have an issue with the pricing and that's understandable, and you think it's setting a bad precedent possibly for other artists (which they are already following suit, or at least trying to), but you think the recent price drops are directly due to the anger and rants against on these forums for example?

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GPT Godfather

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 1:21:38 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for GPT Godfather
Prof, Wicked22.2...I'll toss 20 in the hat for the album with ya'll.

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 1:33:23 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
maybe it's not solely because this forum but i'm sure he's at least seen the responses from people on UGHH/twitter/other social media. we all know he looks at every thread on here with his name in the title, and his last 3 projects have all been regularly priced. no way to know for sure though obviously unless he admits it himself, but i think its definitely a possibility. he must have realized that the previous business model was preventing his fanbase from growing, either that or his recent albums haven't been selling like they used to. or like you said in the other thread it was his plan all along and this was all a gimmick to generate buzz, and if that's the case then it definitely worked lol.

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 3:32:46 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for dr.proF   Click Here to Email dr.proF
3 people, we've already lowered the price to 62$ apiece

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wicked 22.2

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 5:47:30 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for wicked 22.2   Click Here to Email wicked 22.2
loloewi

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 6:10:46 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Heavy365
loloewi leak? Lol

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88

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 6:34:31 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
then you're going to take music out of the fans ears.

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 6:38:49 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
loewi you wouldn't be taking money out of mach's pockets because these people wouldn't have bought it anyway. anyone who was willing to spend 187 dollars on a dozen tracks they've ever heard before has already bought the album lol.

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88

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 6:44:27 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
in the long run, loewi actually is taking money from mach's pocket, because, by encouraging mach to do stupid high pricing by purchasing his items at high prices, loewi is helping mach drive new fans away. fans who might have put money in mach's pockets. in the short term, he's putting his own money in mach's pockets, but, in the long run, he's helping prevent mach get money from potentially future fans.

it's like good will hunting, but with a new ending:

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Clockworx (Admin)

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 6:44:35 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
Serious question for Rolo and Loewi. If say a few weeks from now Mach lowers the price to $50 for the digital D/L would you guys be resentful or content with your purchase?

Also what are each of your favorite tracks?

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 6:51:38 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
loewi is also potentially taking money out of mach's pockets because if more people actually had the opportunity to hear these tracks before buying them, they might be so blown away by what they're hearing that they decide it's worth the money and purchase the project themselves.

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 7:20:18 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
more fans = more money in the long run. i'm pretty sure you can buy albums anonymously on bandcamp but looking at the "supported by" section of a project on bandcamp still gives you a pretty good idea of who is buying it. besides, mach could just make all his projects "name your price" and then y'all could continue giving him 187 dollars per project, and he'd still make the money from everyone else. the number of supporters is very low for a rapper who has been cosigned by/has worked with earl, knxwledge, alchemist, billy woods, etc. he's talented enough that if he just released projects at a regular price (at least for digital downloads) and actually made an effort to grow his fanbase, i'm sure he would eventually be making the same money he makes now.. probably sooner rather than later.

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dj rolo

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 7:54:00 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for dj rolo
Clock...short answer, no I wouldn't...but them cats aren't doing that

second part of the question...favorite tracks off DUMPMEISTER?

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 7:58:35 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
you're missing my point, he could still charge that amount for his limited physicals but he would make more by selling digital downloads for a reasonable price. the collectors would still buy the physicals, and everyone else would have the opportunity to listen to music. if he sold HBO digitally for 12 dollars in addition to the CDs he still would have sold them all. so no, he's not making as much money as he possibly can.

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 8:11:05 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
I don't have a dog in the race but limiting HBO to physicals only for a high price added to the mystery surrounding the album. The album got talked about on and off here for 6 months without most even hearing it until Mach leaked it himself earlier this year. If he would've done the fair priced digital D/L in addition to the $200 physicals it wouldn't have gotten nearly the amount of 'shrouded in mystery' publicity it ended up getting. It would've just been another dime a dozen good release fading into oblivion within a month.

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wicked 22.2

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 8:25:17 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for wicked 22.2   Click Here to Email wicked 22.2
HBO is a certified MDC

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 8:25:33 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
he could have made it available for digital download afterwards, even though that might piss off a few people who forked over the cash for the cd. i do think he would have been able to sell a ton of copies of the original though, just because of how many collectors are out there. those are the people who were buying the physicals, not your average person who would never in a million years think of spending that much on a cd in the first place. at the end of the day mp3s are equivalent to a physical copy of a cd. i bet even if mach added a disclaimer saying "just so yall know i'm gonna sell this album digitally a year from now" people still would have bought it.

even if you disagree and believe that the mystery surrounding HBO is the only reason it sold, i think we could all agree that mach could have stopped after that and used the buzz generated from HBO to sell more copies of his next project at a regular price. fahim went in the opposite direction and exponentially increased the price of his albums as time went on.

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 8:28:03 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Clockworx
Id be content if they did normal price ($12-$15) for download and $50 or even $100 for a CD of it. While ill never understand charging an insane amount of money for a digital only version of an album, if heads are willing to fork over dough for it then can't hate on the hustle, even if it does blow for fans that wanna hear the album.

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dj rolo

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i think what most are missing has something to do with what Clock just said, being limited attracts a certain type of collector/fan, they are willing to pay more the more exclusive the item is...it's not just in music either.

HBO is a top album of 2016, yet most people have yet to hear it...but if an album drops and only a select few hear it, does it make it any less of a dope album?



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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 8:53:03 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
the item is still exclusive though, because it's physical. files on a harddrive aren't a collectors item. those mp3s lose all monetary value once you purchase them, but limited copies of a tangible item will usually appreciate over time. i'll use comics as an example - you can find digital comics online for for free or purchase them through a service like comixology, or buy the much cheaper trade paperbacks with the same content, yet the $100 omni's ALWAYS go out of print. variant covers of that same exact omni will usually go out of print IMMEDIATELY because people are worried that if they don't pull the trigger and cop them immediately, then they'll never get the chance to. that's the collector mentality. i think it would be the same thing with HBO. of course the cds wouldn't have sold out as quickly as they did if digital copies were available, but i think they would have sold eventually.

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dj rolo

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:18:33 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for dj rolo
^people want something in their hand for their money. value on items is based on a few things, condition being one of them, rarity, etc...a serious music collector will pay top dollar for that OG press vinyl, yet don't care about some clean-ass mP4 file.

...if you make many, value is lost. this part of the reason baseball cards are basically meaningless

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:22:04 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
that's exactly what i'm saying rolo, which is why those cds would still sell even if the projects were available digitally JUST because of the exclusivity of the phyisicals. i never said he should mass produce the cds. there's vinyl records on discogs right now that sell for $150 despite the fact that you could easily acquire them digitally.

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wicked 22.2

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:23:20 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for wicked 22.2   Click Here to Email wicked 22.2
d'oh! I just told my mom to send my baseball cards smh

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:28:05 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
then why do vinyl records sell for $100+ dollars on discogs? why do limited colored vinyl releases tend to sell out immediately? it's the same mentality.

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:33:21 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
https://www.discogs.com/sell/history/67789

here's a perfect example. $250 for a record vs $10 for a digital download, and people are still buying the vinyl. in this case it's even worse though because that $250 dollars isn't even going to the artist, it's going to some random person on the internet.

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:34:23 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
why do you think people would be more inclined to give that much money to a random motherfucker than the artist who made the art in the first place? people just want to the physical copy of the album.

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:47:27 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
yes, you can go on itunes right now and buy that album for $10 dollars, yet people are still spending $250 on discogs just to own the vinyl. there's a ton of other examples of this. maybe not many for that high of a price, but still $100 when the album is readily available digitally.

another example

https://www.discogs.com/sell/history/970266

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tippi dink

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:58:58 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for tippi dink   Click Here to Email tippi dink
yes, 187 people have bought that album for more than it sold for originally at least. it's 3rd party though, so the price keeps going up over time. part of the reason people buy limited releases, original pressings, or stuff that will go out of print soon is because it typically increases in value. it's an investment. you can't just say "oh well that's not how music works" when it's been proven that it works the same was as all other physical media. that hardcore collector mentality is the same no matter what you're collecting. if anything i think people would be even more inclined to pay for mach's albums at their inflated prices if they knew that money was going directly towards the artist instead of a flipper on the internet.

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:05:43 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Heavy365
Did any1 ever get their dollar menu 3 cds yet

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oh the avalanches are pretty well known, since i left you of the most influential and important plunderphonics albums out there. but they got to where they are by actually giving people a chance to hear their music in the first place lol. mach has gotten cosigned by a ton of well known artists and that's based on the music itself, nothing else. HBO wouldn't need to be a mainstream critically acclaimed album to sell, it would be a cult classic and still sell just like anything else just because of the exclusivity of the physicals. 187 isn't a lot if you really think about it. he also could have made 300 copies of the album and charged 150 each, and i still think they would have sold. there's definitely niche collectors items where there were way more than 187 made and they still sell out. you obviously feel that HBO is worth 300 dollars, so what makes you think that other people wouldn't think it's at least worth $150 or $200? it might take a little longer to sell them all, but they would still sell and he would have gained a larger fanbase as well. then the next time he released an album, it would sell out even quicker.

also with this release, it's not even a physical album. its $187 for a digital album. once you buy it, it's essentially 100% worthless as soon as you purchase it. at least if it was physical you could get your money back eventually.

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posted Tuesday, September 05, 2017 10:32:48 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for wicked 22.2   Click Here to Email wicked 22.2
no $ menu 3 yet

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