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Jay-eL

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posted Friday, April 14, 2017 2:12:01 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Jay-eL
http://www.politifact.com/nbc/statements/2016/jun/18/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-theres-no-real-assimilation-us-/


By and large, Muslims want to embrace an American identity

Several academic studies in the past decade have demonstrated that Muslims do indeed want to become integrated with mainstream American life.

One of the major surveys is from 2011, when the Pew Research Center conducted telephone interviews with 1,033 Muslims in the United States, in English, Arabic, Farsi and Urdu.

The researchers concluded that "Muslim Americans appear to be highly assimilated into American society."

Specifically, 56 percent of Muslim Americans said that most Muslims coming to the United States today want to adopt American customs and ways of life. Only 20 percent said most Muslims coming to the U.S. want to be distinct from the larger American society, Pew found, while 16 percent said Muslim immigrants want to do both. (Incidentally, this is far different than the views of Americans at large; just 33 percent of Americans of all backgrounds told Pew that most Muslim immigrants want to adopt American ways, while 51 percent said Muslim immigrants want to remain distinct from the larger culture.)

Notably, Pew found some striking similarities between the views of American Christians and American Muslims.

For instance, about half of Muslims said they thought of themselves first as a Muslim, rather than as American. A different Pew survey found a nearly identical fraction of Christians in the United States, 46 percent, saying they thought of themselves first as Christian, rather than as American. And near-identical percentages of Muslims and Christians said there was no conflict with being devout in their own religion and part of a modern society. (Sentiments about identity were similar among native-born and foreign-born Muslims, though those born after 1990 had a somewhat larger preference for a Muslim identity.)

Jen’nan Ghazal Read, an associate professor of sociology and global health at Duke University, pointed to data from Pew and other sources showing similar rates of religious practice and beliefs among Muslims and Christians in the United States:



Other evidence lines up with what Pew found.

Selcuk R. Sirin, an associate professor of applied psychology at New York University's Steinhardt School of Culture, Education, and Human Development, found that even though 84 percent of 12-to-18-year-old Muslim Americans he studied had faced at least one act of discrimination in the previous year, most were comfortable with their "hyphenated identities" as both Muslims and Americans. "They seem to be pretty happy sitting on the hyphen," has said. "They don't feel the need to pick one over the other."

Akbar S. Ahmed, a professor of Islamic studies at American University, found similar sentiments when he did fieldwork for the book Journey into America, which spanned 75 cities and 100 mosques.

"Muslims again and again told us that America is the best place in the world to be a Muslim," Ahmed said. "There are countless examples of Muslims who are assimilated and are completely American in every sense." He said that out of the roughly 2,000 personal interviews that comprised in his fieldwork, virtually all Muslims said that Muslims could be American.

"So it is dangerous, irresponsible and incorrect for Trump to make statements like this and demonize the entire community," Ahmed said.

Some experts have said that, if anything, that the trend is moving even more strongly towards becoming American.

"In the 1970s and 1980s, Muslim leaders explicitly urged their people to avoid assimilating into the American mainstream and to withdraw into Islamic community centers, schools, and colleges," Boston College political science Peter Skerry wrote in 2013. "Since 9/11, Muslim leaders have shown a remarkable​; — ​;and largely unnoted, or disbelieved ​;— ​;willingness to adapt to America. Indeed, these leaders have been busily reconstructing an anodyne version of Islam that conforms to the American civil religion."

In other words, Skerry wrote, Muslim Americans today "are being reassured that it is permissible​;—​;even desirable​;—​;to have non-Muslim friends. And that it is okay to attend business lunches where non-Muslim colleagues drink alcohol. And that it is definitely a good idea to vote and get involved in civic and political affairs."

Integration is a bigger challenge for Muslims

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Jay-eL

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i think muslims assimilating here peaked in the 70s & 80s...you had your Casey Kasem types, who were basically just seen as ethnic whites. the old school turks & syrians i knew were almost like guidos....my 'uncle' Ismail drove a camaro & wore tacky gold chains. my dad's army buddy Hussein pulled tons of women....nobody batted an eye at them or treated them differently.


its this new gen of immigrants that stink it up. passive aggressively hating on everything while living here. and most of em aren't even struggling economically so they come off like bougie misfits & social retards...fuk them....


also, i admire lebanese christians & how they've assimilated without a hitch...tons of successful people in different fields like Ralph Nader, Doug Flutie, etc....and the lebanese built a nice working class enclave in paterson, nj...they're a good model for how to assimilate....

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my family is Christian so I'm pretty sure I'm better of than alot of you faggots

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It's funny Jerm is all like "I have done more drugs than everyone so I'm the man to listen to", but is completely unwilling to listen to people who lived with Muslims that don't integrate. Dudes never in his life even seen an enclave. Dude admitted his only experience is "I have a Muslim friend". What an ass.

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rn Erdogan is doing his best to fuck up the mindset of millions that live in Europe and off course gullible fuck sticks follow him.

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These paleface posts are the worst and I'm starting to get angina

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Jay-eL

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posted Friday, April 14, 2017 10:06:48 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Jay-eL
oh maff teell me about the muslims you live with

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For real maff, tell me about your personal experience. Of all the Muslims I have met, living in Spokane and Seattle, I have never met one that wasn't absolutely polite, or even kind out of their way.

What is your personal experience that has left you so scorn, or is it just what you read and jump to conclusions about?

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^My home town

Thats from a BBC documentary. You have never in your useless life experienced anything like it. You know fuck all about immigration.

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The wall should be built on the Canada border

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Jay-eL

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first of all it sounds like they had a good reason for protest when someone is arrested who has committed no crime, but under arrest fur suspicion of knowing about the crime. YOu have to wonder if it were a christian who set off a bomb, would they arrest his family members?

Secondly, you might want to ask yourself why they aren't assimilating in that town, when all over the world they assimilate peacefully. I know you don't want to think that hard, because it is much easier to be prejudice and assume they are just shitty people, but go ahead and give it a shot. Challenge your own prejudice every once in a while.


3rd, that lady was a huge snotty cunt.

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posted Friday, April 14, 2017 12:31:22 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Maffmatics   Click Here to Email Maffmatics
Go ahead and tell me i read something and jumped to conclusions now, dick head.
Like i said, you have 0 experience and no clue what you are talking about.

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posted Friday, April 14, 2017 12:33:51 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Jay-eL
why do these muslims here, have a hard time being accepted and feeling accepted where you live, and not other places?

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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/20/suicide-bomber-stockholm_n_1611547.html

http://metro.co.uk/2011/01/06/stockholm-suicide-bomber-taimour-abdulwahabs-wife-admits-posting-clip-on-youtube-623004/

Yeah no reason at all to arrest her.

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did you bother to read it?

Mona Thwany said she uploaded Taimour Abdulwahab’s anti-Western rant because she thought people would want to know ‘the truth’.
‘I felt it was painful to tell the story over and over again. Naively, I thought people were interested in knowing the truth – why he did it – so I put that up on his YouTube channel,’ she told Sweden’s TV4 network.
‘I do condemn his actions and I do condemn any terrorism. If I knew what he was going to do I would have stopped him,’ said Ms Thwany, who lives with their three children in Luton.
Abdulwahab blew himself up in a street surrounded by Christmas shoppers in Stockholm on December 11.


Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2011/01/06/stockholm-suicide-bomber-taimour-abdulwahabs-wife-admits-posting-clip-on-youtube-623004/#ixzz4eF6SfYLJ

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Where i live now Muslims integrate just fine. I have never heard from anyone fighting for ISIS from where i live now. Luton however is completely different. And its not the only place in Britain like it. They dont want a British way of life, they want Islamic law and culture only. They do not want to integrate.

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Jay-eL

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what do you mean by a british way of life anyway? They should give up their religion to live as the british? I am not sure I understand what you mean.

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let me tell you what I see when I watch tht video. People gather because they feel there is an injustice being done by those in power. This happens all the time in the united states. When people are mad at what they feel are horrible injustices being done, they gather to fight those in power. It's really kind of what our country is all about. In fact I think it is the single thing that makes us better than other countries, but we are losing it more and more every day.

Now when I see this lady come up to the muslims she is snarky and rude and already made er mind up about them and instead of asking questions she challenges them. It is horrible journalism on it's face. So she goes there with the intent to provoke someone and she does, and then she plays the victim.

I fucking loath people like her.

So that is what I see when I watch it. Apparently through your eyes it is viewed differently, and I'm not sure why you can't see it the way I see it, but I know why I can't see it the way you see it.

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Then i suggest you watch the whole documentary to see it was completely unbiased. Its called Stacey Dooley Investigates, My Hometown Fanatics.

Also you think "British police burn in hell" chants are fine? Did you notice the 'Shariah the solution for the UK' sign in that video? If i go to any country i respect and abide by its laws and culture, i dont ignore them and live by my own religious law that promotes mutilating females genitalia and try to push the natives into my way of life. Dude in the video even said very plainly they will only respect Islamic law, or did you miss that? You are fine with having people shit talk you just for not being Muslim? Does that sound like people that want to integrate to you?
But no doubt you will just point the finger at other people like you always do, because you are stupid and ignorant. The Muslims in that video have never been oppressed, they are just as free as anyone and have all the same rights and access to services. There is no reason why they havent integrated other than they hate westeners. We dont comply with their version of Islam. This all sound righteous to you?

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posted Friday, April 14, 2017 1:21:21 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Maffmatics   Click Here to Email Maffmatics
Lol what the fuck is that?

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Also you didnt answer any of my questions.

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just as many christians say they will only respect christian law. Should we force them to assimilate? what do we do with them? I don't think we can combat that type of thinking by attacking them.

If someone mutilates female genitalia, I think they should be charged for the crime they commit. The more hate that gets spouted about muslims, the more hate crimes they face, the more they cling to their religion. There are always going to be religious fanatics in every religion and we combat that by offering a better life, and acceptance.

yes people in the US chant things very similar to, "police burn in hell"

never been oppressed. Please.


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Jay-eL

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also, you didn't answer my question. what do you mean by British way of life?

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so watching the rest of that video she then goes out with two muslim women and she dresses in full garb. People yell at her and she literally is scared something bad is going to happen to her. Not oppressed? I mean, what is your definition of oppression?

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Lol so your version of oppression is telling somebody to take the mask off? Also when did anyone yell at her? That didnt happen so please dont try to lie to make a case.

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The guy yelled at her to take her mask off why was she afraid, maff? And how do they live like the british. Define that for me please.

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K im done. I just watched it again, nobody yelled. Youre trying to make it sound worse than it was and im not dealing with your retarded fake bullshit.
Stay ignorant.

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"You know fuck all about immigration."

Do you have an idea about how many businesses and public services couldn't operate without immigration?

You showed that ole vid of some extreme fuckbois that would need to be put in check and their Britt nationality needs to be taken away.
But the large majority of areas which have hord racial issues are not at all linked to any kind of extremism. It's about kids with no perspectives and nothing to loose that lives in areas where no infrastructure investment was done since 40 years. Studies showed various x that with the same qualification they have more or less zero chance to get the job compared to a white boy. In France the chief of police department said recently it was acceptable to call them bamboola. And ftr those guys are not migrants they are French, German Britt's etc. It's our politicians that have failled and created this dead end.

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maff, how does one assimilate to british culture? what is british culture. The key to understanding others cultures is understanding what makes yours. Most people in the west can't really answer that question.

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Phat I shouldn't need to say it again but fsr you people don't listen. I'm not opposed to immigration. It just needs to be done carefully. We let in radical preachers then can't deport them because of human rights. These people are responsible for the extremism in our countries yet we are powerless to stop them once we let them in. That's why just letting any old fgt in is bullshit.

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g + K

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another classic paleface post. maff admitted he got mad muslims didn't celebrate the christian holiday christmas

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http://m.startribune.com/minneapolis-muslims-protest-sharia-vigilante-patrolling-in-cedar-riverside-area/419321224/


A man trying to impose what he calls "the civil part of the sharia law" in the Cedar-Riverside neighborhood of Minneapolis has sparked anger among local residents and Muslim leaders.

Abdullah Rashid, 22, a Georgia native who moved to Cedar-Riverside last year, has been making the rounds in the Somali-dominated neighborhood, telling people not to drink, use drugs or interact with the opposite sex. If he sees Muslim women he believes are dressed inappropriately, he approaches them and suggests they should wear a jilbab, a long, flowing garment. And he says he's recruiting others to join the effort.

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JT, w hat point were you trying to make. I get confused a lot at your responses to posts with articles because i am not sure what you are saying it means to you.

What I see is that most of t he muslims in that area are pissed about this retard trying to corrupt their people.

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Maff is worried that muslims are going to do to the UK what Jews did to Palestine.

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pf- if you're not going to bother to read the whole article then fuck off, would ya? angry Somalis isn't even the C story in that article...

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Youbread the articles i posted?

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when you you post something interesting i try to

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Lol alrigjt man i read it all. Isdgi

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I'm sure he does get it, but he's a liar so won't admit it. But he's also retarded so maybe not.

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lol

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you know who else doesn't celebrate christmas, the jews....but they'll joke about it & its no big deal...that crazy muslim woman wanted to shut down a school cause there was an xmas tree in her son's class.....and thats why Hashem > Allah


from a design standpoint, the muslim/arab culture is seriously flawed....hyper religious, overly political, a lot of monolithic group thinking...and overall they're just assholes..


they're the only region in the world that doesn't drink alcohol, enjoy sex, date outside their race, play organized sports, make dope movies/music. nothin....in the cultural potluck, all they offer is a shitty attitude & a crusty ass religion






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For every crazy Muslim lady there's 10 crazy white ladies talmbout my child's winter concert needs more Xmas music and less foreign language songs.

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Muslims arent just arabs they come in all colors in all countries,, racists

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Fool blast is a faggot. Guaranteed white boy

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Doesn't matter if they assimilate well or not. Suggesting that people from third world countries can simply wander in to developed nations by the thousands or millions and all will be just peachy is a silly notion which hasn’t been properly thought through. Western societies and governments bringing them in by the millions are only fooling themselves. How do you allow millions of migrants in to a society without straining the already-overtaxed and over-burdened systems in place? The schools, living quarters, roads, hospitals and all forms of other infrastructure and social institutions cannot support the influx of millions of individuals- documented or otherwise- without forcing the other legal residents to pay for those newcomers in the form of taxes.

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France and Sweden show that Muslims have no problem assimilating, now these countries simply need to ban trucks, as trucks, not Muslims, are obviously the cause of recent terror attacks.

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I have a simple answer for that sp.

Stop with the military intervention, use saved money on infastructure, schools, etc.

There will be less refugees and we can have better infastructure and schools.

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