Speaking Real Words (my first post & reply))
Today webmaster Quest told me about the posts regarding Natalie P and told me about the b.s. happening on this board. He asked me if I wanted any of this negativity deleted. I told him no. I read it all, and I see someone wanted an interview, so here we go.
The kid posting under "esoterrawackbull" is obviously a struggling emcee himself. I am assuming that I know him personally. No one puts that much hate and effort into someone they have never met. I wasn't going to post, but his flat-out lies moved me to. 1. No one has ever snatched a mic from my hand and battled me to the ground. 2. No one ever laughed us off any stage (whether it be New York, Netherlands, or Nashville). 3. I am not rich, by any definition. 4. None of our personal money has ever gone into any Direct Records release. 5. Deck liked our shit and wanted to help us out, that's all. 6. Biting Wu or Ultra? Nah, but you can argue that we were influenced by both of them. Every rapper has influences. Was I biting my parents when they taught me English? No, I learned it, and now I speak it. I listened to rap, now i rip mics. It's that simple. 7. Did I re-take my vocals? Yup, because the first ones weren't simple enough. How's that grab ya?
It's the lies that bother me, not the opinions!
We (7l & Esoteric) are apparently on a different page entirely than a lot of people on this board. "Speaking Real Words" was exactly what we wanted it to be, lyrically and beat-wise. The people who we wanted to like it, seem to like it. The people who didn't, seem to like "Bound to Slay." Perfect. You can't please everyone. "Speaking Real Words" is exactly what the title says. I apologize for not including the sci-fi multi-syllabic shit that we were doing in 94, (back when people were dissing us for it).
To the kid who says I'm not feeling Last Emperor, where did you get that from? I like what he's doing. His producer is one of my closest friends and influences in hip-hop, Madsol. He produced our first record (God Complex) and 2 albums worth of songs before that. I remember Madsol telling me "fuck the underground. Underground kids are good for nothing but talking shit." Well...he was right.
As far as the Polo fanaticism, ask Thirston, he's from Brooklyn. We have been rocking it for years and only a few will understand. I guess the reasoning behind it is "esoteric" to most. I guess it is kind of like you haters collecting stamps, bottle caps, or baseball cards.
About the $1000 watches line:
If a "backpacker" likes our shit, I am pleased. A "backpacker" that comes up to me after a show and gives me a pound is making my night. No doubt. Anyone that knows our songs and appreciates what we do is down by law in my book.
Anyone that really knows me, knows I drive a Lexus, knows I like nice clothes, and knows I do not try and hide that to be down with "the underground." I let the music speak for itself.
Hey, "EsoterraWACKbull" - Am I "old school?" You bet. I don't "study up" on shit though, I don't need to... I've been living and breathing this music for years. 1986-1989 were some of the best years of my life, and definitely the time when I was really INTO hip-hop. It may be an age difference. I would think I was into hip-hop then probably like you are into hip-hop now. I just wish I had a message board to talk shit on then.
I have to go. I enjoyed all the reading. I will make sure to hook up Quest with some REAL pics of me and Nat or me and Liv soon.
(peace to detroid, mike ill, check, and the rest of those who know the deal)
when i saw esoteric he had this nice polo soho t-shirt
man i've been wondering this, what does it mean to "punch-in" your vocals? is that when you just don't record it all at once, and you splice different sets of recordings together or something like that, to clean it up and get rid of mistakes? so when you don't punch-in, that means you do it all in one shot? just wondering... peace
Who cares about the politics of all the bullshit. Esoteric rips the fucking mic and his style, sound, and dynamics are incredible. No dickriding, no hating. Credit where credit is due, period. Thank you for filling my eardrums with quality sound.
A few things:
Infor610: Ikon and myself are working on the Army of the Pharoahs material constantly, bouncing lyrics and beats off each other. The masterplan is to drop a AOTP full-length after we drop the 7l & Esoteric album and the Jedi Mind album. You can find both of us (as well as Virtuoso) on each other's album's too.
I did not mean to encompass every "underground kid" when I said that they were only good for talking shit. I should have clarified that in my post. The reason I said that was because we are on "undergroundhiphop.com" and I am being bashed by people who are under fakes aliases. I love the underground scene, however I am not underground because I choose to be, I am underground because the music I LIKE TO MAKE places me here. We aren't trying to make "underground hip hop," we are trying to make "hip-hop." We could be doing stuff that sounds like Swizz Beats right now. Do we? No. We were making these same songs before there WAS an "underground scene." We were making these same songs when we were closer with D'Auguste, Laster, and KT than some of our current crew. To me, there isn't much difference between "Speaking Real Words," "Def Rhymes," or "Headswell." It's all what we set out to do...make good hip-hop that we are proud of.
Sage (and everyone):
Nothing was negative about the Natalie P thing, it was the other shit. You guys can talk shit about my personal life all you want, just not the music! Heh. My comment about re-recording my vocals because the first ones weren't simple enough was a joke. I thought the "how's that grab ya" and some of the punctuation I used would indicate that. After re-reading it, I can see how you would misinterpret it. The lyrics I re-recorded were the same lyrics that I put down originally. It's pathetic, one or two strangers (who are spiteful or have no clue about hip-hop) sit in on a recording session and look what happens. If you think re-recording vocals is wack, then you should dis every rapper who has put out of record. What I feel is wack, is "punching in" your vocals, and that is all too noticeable with the rappers coming out after '93 or so. We never do that...not one of us...whether it be me, Check, Akro, Lif, or Virt. As far as the simplicity of the lyricism on "Speaking Real Words," check the title of the song. Deck asked me the title of the song, I told him, and he spit a drug / rhyme metaphor. That shit is dope to me. If you aren't really listening, you just hear guntalk and drug slang. If you are listening, he is talking about his rhymes. That to me, is "real words." All I did was shout out my dj, my producer, killed some wack rappers (heh), and spoke about my history. That to me, is "real words." As Prince Paul said, "Liiiiisten."
I couldn't agree with you more. There are many emcees out there who try to save the world with every rhyme they write. Everything is about politics or the ups and downs of life. It almosts seems as though they feel they need to preach or teach in order to justify or legitimize emceeing. "Yes, I rap, but not like gangster rap mom, I make positive raps." Fuck that, just rip the mic and be yourself. That's what I like to do...and nothing makes me happier than to hear or read someone quoting the shit I say. Everyone reading this, please do not question what I just said, because I appreciate ALL topics in hip-hop. The thing is, I learn through experience and reading, not so much through music. If you are going to try and teach someone something, make it subtle, like Akro on "Woman." That shit is flawless. As far as blatant teaching, BDP's "Beef" and "Why is That?" are two songs I anjoy and felt I learned a little from.
As I said, don't bother trying to understand the obsession with vintage Polo. That's some shit that I grew up with, and some shit that rubbed off on me through the years. It's all hip-hop related whether you like it or not. I comprehend all the dynamics of materialism and I realize how shallow it is to collect material items. To imply that I don't realize that is condescending and insulting. I also have my own theories and philosophies on life and what comes after it (nothing) so I choose to do stuff my own way. I'm not trying to be a textbook role model, I am not trying to impress people with living the "right way," I am just trying to enjoy myself while I am here on this bullshit planet. Me paying for my Lexus every month and selling old Polo on the internet doesn't mean I am rich. Now that I think about it, out of all the suburban hip-hoppers, modern psychology proves that it is usually the rich kids who try and look as though they are homeless. Think about that. Enjoying the "finer things in life" (notice the "quotations," picky people) doesn't have anything to do with the integrity, intelligence, or character of a person.
Yes, I'm sober, I do not drink or do any drugs. I DO however, know about old school baseball...I don't follow that new shit. Peace to Mike Ill and the Flunkies for the day at Fenway.
Peace to everyone on here who had my back. Hopefully this is all over. Hahaha
ESO, as previously mentioned, really is a fantastic lyricist and person (Who else sober could get into The Drunken Flunkies?) but it's worth mentioning that he really doesn't know shit about Major League Baseball. Two thumbs down.
Your Southpaw Swiller,
detroid...why does that comment go to me?
I don't fit into the mold of artists who only want be experimental and save the world with every song they write. Did you read my explanation of Bounce and why we record such songs as that? It's cool to have fun with simplicity sometimes. So I'm not trying to look down on Eso for being "simple"...not at all. I'm just having a hard time understanding why a person would actually have to return to a studio to alter lyrics in an EFFORT to make them simpler. I won't throw a fit if I don't get an answer to my burning question...heheh...it just seemed odd to me and I was wondering about the motive.
if you're gonna critisize "simple" lyrics, don't bring up Guru as a point in your argument. He is one of the most simple emcees of all time (and one of the dopest I might add). You people need to realize you don't need to try and "reinvent the wheel" on every cut and every verse. You want all that multisyllabic, space ship lyrics, fine they are out there. If you got flavor, have a good presence on the mic, are CREATIVE, (which obviously Esoteric has) etc. You don't need to go off on some kool keith jibberish tangent. There's way too many people here on the "anticon", lets be experimental (a nice word for wack) just for the sake of being experimental bandwagon, you will never understand the premise for just a good rap song since you are too busy trying to save the world with every verse you ever write (that goes to you mr black sweatshirt). Personally some of my favorite songs ever would be considered "simplistic" in your sect. Fine, I aint mad at that. Fuck a concept, gimme a battle rap anyday. This rap shit was built on it, and will continue to be built on it as people like Esoteric continue to do it and add their own little twists and turns to it.
I was feelin the same thing as Sage...you did your lyrics again cuz u wanted them to be simpler? Why? An effort to get more radio play? more dough? Im not sayin these were your intentions, but making your lyrics simpler, compromising your style...thats sounds a lot like Nas. To quote Guru when "you compromise your music, when its not coming from your TRUE heart," thats when your "sellin out." And thats what keeps heads feelin the underground, artists making music from inside, and not giving a fuck about what people think...whether they understand my lyrics or not. I think you need to address this question in an interview or post a reply.
Bound to Slay in my opinion was a lot better then Speakin Real Words.
Don't sleep on Sir Jinx.
Yo, man....how was the Natalie Portman post negative? I think that is the funniest shit that has ever taken place on this board. I the blatant humor of the language isn't being overlooked. Anyway...
One thing that I really disagree with is how you openly admit to how you changed your lyrics in an effort to make them simpler. Why should that ever be? What are the motives to simplifying the lyrics? I mean...out of everything you said, that is the only thing that has left a bad taste in my mouth. I think it's weird that you recorded vocals and then decided at a later date that they needed to be simpler.
Good luck with the single, man...it looks like it's really going to take off.
yeah, fuck bottle cap collecting haters....let me know when those cats with the torches who found frankenstein go looking for that notorious esowacabull....i wanna get high and watch
i leave you black and blue like max rebo
Why do people hate on heads who rock Polo and nice clothes? Do people enjoy looking like fuckin scrubs or what? Fuck it if its" jiggy" if its nice then its nice. And that cat hating on Esoteric is probably wack as fuck and was probably beatin and raped as a child so he needs to find someone to take his anger out on. What what
Fuck all the Haters
The Polo Bear
sorry, I meant to say Ken and Barbie....
by the way, I'm feeling all of you jockriders. Way to go!
I completely hear where you're coming from, as far as being frustrated about getting such negative criticism or whatever. Criticism sucks. There is always going to be someone out there that doesn't like a certain style, so it's virtually impossible to please everyone...
But as far as your claims of "not being rich", yet owning a Lexus, wearing Polo, and wearing "thousand dollar wahtchus", I don't see what you are trying to prove at all. "As far as the Polo fanaticism, ask Thirston, he's from Brooklyn. We have been rocking it for years and only a few will understand" - are you trying to prove something by saying you had a Ken and Ken before the typical person? Do you take pride in it? It's ashame we all live in such a materialistic society nowadays. It's all useless competition, but maybe you are just too "over my head".
representing hippie hop and russel athletic
"YOU CAN HATE HIM NOW, BUT HE WON'T STOP NOW"
Thats what I feel would be the best statement to describe Eso. He doesn't care about all the fags out there hating him, what he does care about is the lies. I think Eso is one of the hottest emcees out there today. Before I met him, when I ould sit at home and hear his shit I used to think he was great and when I met him he backed it up. Eso is one of the nicest, coolest, most chill heads I know. He doesn't care about people's bullshit. On the topic of his new material, It's hot and thats it. "Bound to Slay" has the same feel of his old shit, and "Speaking Real Words" is like he and 7L just taking a few steps up. I feel that 7L&Esoteric have always been steps ahead of the game. When there old shit first came out a lot of heads weren't feeling it and look at those people now, now their trying to go out and buy the old shit because now it sounds hot. Thats because most people weren't ready to hear shit like that.It's just now that "commercial" music has progressed to the level that 7L&Eso were on back in the days. So pretty much what I'm saying here is that ya'll haters just ain't ready for some real, well done shit. I'll bet that in 1-2 years all you haters will be on their dicks asking for an autographed vinyl. It's haters like these that brought myself to leave the message board before. Fags like these that will hang with their boy's saying how much they hate a jam but then go home, put on their backpack and baseball cap and throw that same jam on their stereo and bounce around and try to memorize the lyrics to it.I give Eso much props for getting up on this board, exposing himself, and still coming off strong. As a matter of fact I think that if "Esoterrawackbull" has any balls, and if Eso is down, he should "TRY" to battle Eso in a freestyle contest. I'll provide the place and the audience to judge who the real "WHACKBULL" is.
To Eso all I have to say is Much Love and keep doing what your doing there boss. No matter what people think or say, your still good people and your the one out there busting your ass to to make the music that true cats wanna hear.
PS- these are my "real words". OUT
Have fun once in a while.
""Speaking Real Words" was exactly what we wanted it to be, lyrically and beat-wise."
Well that is interesting to me, cause to me that is what it is all about. FOr tha record (like anybody cares, its just my opinion) I dont really care for tha record, but I'm not gonna slander a dude for a record that I dont see what is behind it. SOme records are obviously done with no idea behind them, from my ONE (not that I wont listen to it again but my station in town has only played it once to my knowledge) listen so far I didunt get it, but it did not sound like it was done with no purpose.
I dont have a Lexus nor do I want one (I would like more money just not for thouse purposes) but who really care what kinda car a dude drives unless it is a pink yugo, it is not even noteworthy to me (or anybody else who should be "listening" to music)
And on tha real youlall kids on heere who really care who a dude is dating that much taht is kinda gay, or at tha least kinda a hurt piece for tha fact maybe you need to get some girls.
IF you dont like music it is REAL cool to talk about it, one reasont o be here is this but just DONT buy it!!!! Dont try to kill a dude cause his raps are not your style, I think people need to broaden their circles and listen to more than just rap....
PS to any rapper that make music , do what you want, just put thought into it and have FUn once in awhile
For the most part Akrobatik wrote what i was just about to say. but i will still throw in my two cents. the blatant personal attacks are just not neccessary. they really are not! why does someone need to come out and talk shit about an artist just to talk shit? does this shit talker feel good inside now, do your boys respect you more (i mean you are pretty daring talking shit and not leaving your real name). esoteric puts out good music and i will support him any day.
hey mr. hater, by the way, i am interested in hearing what you consider to be good music or whatever you want to call it. send me your product, i'll even buy it.
are you trying to diss heads who collect bottle caps???? my bottle cap collection is benevolent, superlative and first rate thank you very much....now go take a nap with a polo teddy bear