Your President Is A F*cking Lying Capitalist A**hole
"To those of you that came here to break windows and hurt small business, I condemn you."- Bill KKKlinton on the WTO protestors
First of all. I haven't heard shit about any small business being touched. I've heard about Niketown and Starbucks (among other multinational unfairly trading corporations owned by capitalist pig-dogs) but I haven't heard a single thing about small business being damaged.
Secondly, if he's so in favor of small business, why does he side with multinational corporations that exist partially to eliminate small business so as to control the market?
Thirdly, does he honestly think his condemnation means anything to anybody? I personally condemn his free-market capitalist agenda and his support of the evil warriors for profit and the baby murderers on Wall Street and Park Avenue.
Lastly, I don't like the new Mobb Deep f/ Nas (to make this hip hop related).
As I see it, you can either sit there and accept what is happening, or you attempt to subvert it or fight it if you feel necessary. Very simple. If your life is cushy and insular, you will not be inclined to rebel. You have no reason to rebel. But if you are one of those people who is facing oppression, exploitation, and discrimination first-hand, your instinct will be to rebel. Unless you are the walking dead.
All this talk about fear of global currency and aliens is stupid. The shit is going down RIGHT NOW. There is nothing to wait for. Hegemony is here. Statistically speaking, 1% of the world population controls the other 99%. Err, I mean the 1% STEALS everything from the 99%. But I do believe that people in the U.S. are starting to wake up finally. People are embracing conspiracy theories by the masses. Most of the theories are concocted fantasies, but it's a start at least.
Anyway, it's nice to have these sorts of discussions. Everything is fucked up because people don't talk about these issues enough. To me, that is the only problem. Big shout to Icarus, VB, X-Factor, and even Buda for mentioning Malthusian Growth. Population grows exponentially, while resources grow at a fixed rate (slightly flawed, I think). But I don't think we are trying to make everyone rich. In fact that is the very problem: our wasteful lifestyle. I am not arguing that we should redistribute wealth and make everyone rich. I am arguing that we should all learn to live with less, and to also subvert corporate influence of our lives.
Yeah, I have gotten that argument before, but if that's the case, why doesn't Nike produce thier product in the USA?
About what Buda said; we were talking about proportionate wages in class yesterday and one kid told a story about this multi-national company that wanted to raise the wages of their factory workers but the country wouldn't let them because paying them 4 dollars an hour would be equal to hundreds in their country, making the workers disproportionatly rich compared to everyone else. Making them hated on. He was saying how workers would be injured and instead of taking time off to heal went right back to work because there were hundreds of people waiting to take their place. That's some fucked up shit but it does make sense in a way if it's true.
Bill Clinton is the man bitches. He's probably gotten nearly as much head as I have. Yall can't be mad at the guy for getting his skin flute played.
no doubt, where were you 3 cats yesterday?? my point was, i aint fronting on your protest, i aint fronting on the cause, cuz the shit is all good to be fighting that, but in all reality the protests may achieve a little something (what i dont know) but the riots aint shit, you aint gonna solve anything. the master plan was set along time ago, like farmer said, the europeans are going to one currency over there this year and north america is not far behind, soon it will be a one world currency! scary! secret socitites like fuck i forget the name just held there yearly meeting high in the mountains of sweden to disscuss world events, banking and all that. presidents aint shit they just smiling faces to the public, you really think they make the decisions that efffect us, hell no! america is a tame country compared to most like russia, germany or china where protestors get killed on the daily, itll come to that, you watch. you cant stop'em, no way no how, the last thing to fucking care about is nike and starbucks, why do you give a fuck? like i said before, you fighting for peeps in china to get better wages what the fuck about north americans?? you got people dying everyday in horrible ghettos from guns, drugs, police, bad health, whos helping them?? whos protesting for them?
shit is fucked up to me. peace to wilsonfisk, electro4 and the nougatt farmer for good points. one love!
open your mind! yall got your eyes wide shut!
how many times must it be stated....there are supposed to be starving people....there is supposed to be slave wages....it all serves a purpose....population grows but resources cant be replenished fast enough....the malthus theory....now how would all the rich white people feel if you took some of their money and gave it to some starving poor chinese....fuck coffee and sneakers.....the first and third largest banks in the world merged last year.....we went from like 10 big banks to 6 or something....its coming....just a matter of time
Or 'America' by Allen Ginsberg.
"Go fuck yourself with your atom bomb..."
ayo...everyone go read the book "BEHOLD A PALE HORSE"...thats my comment...after that you will really "not give a fuck about the united states government."
hmm.. .about this civil disobedience subject.... was it really nonviolent protest that led to swift legislation, or was it the fact that hundreds of peaceful demonstrators were being smashed in their heads by police, and chased by dogs on national tv? Was it agape that won over the hearts of people, or the fear of violence? geez... are we all gonna get out our term papers now??
mobb and nas? who's that?
The president, is a racist first of all, just bcuz he's a democrat doesn;t mean shit. As foer the history of the US, I feel the vibe in here. A consciouas group of people. And as far as doing something about it, just talking about it does more than talking it down. But soon that will have to become more than just rhetoric. I don;t give a fuck about the consistency, the bottom line is ACTION speaks louder than words.
Without Economic sovereignty you will never have Political sovereignty...CHEGUEVARA RIP.
And the whole Mobb thing. I like the track, if we will remember it comes from Scarface when Tony Montana and Sosa start doping business and getting rich, but rather than actually use that to enhance the point of a track that is all about a collaboration, no they just scream about thug life, when a thug in reality is just a dumb criminal that is a peon of the type of Criminal that movies like Scarface take a look at.
In 1993 it cost Nike 3.95 for materials, labor, shipping, distro, and promo for a pair of Air Jordans.
They turn around and sell them for such an inflated price of $120 that people need to kill each other in the states to get a pair, and the cheap non-domestic work-force in cambodia are making close to dirt in wages.
Nike see's the negative result to America for years and only keeps increasing the price, icreasing the violence, icreasing the US unemployment rate, increasing the paychecks of people with enough money to last 20 centuries worth of luxury living.
I say if you pass a Nike Town in your travels, stop in, ask to see the manager, and piss on their shoes. It will make you feel better.
"Your either voting for the mumps or the measles"
He gets alot of head though....
I'm real glad to see everyone in here. Real fucking glad indeed.
I was just watching some TV at a friends house and I was checking out the coverage of the protests from the Seattle news. Fuck did that ever piss me off.
I couldn't tell you how many times they used the words aimless, disorganized, loafing, confused, etc. etc. etc. to describe the protestors. Throughout the entire hour of coverage I saw, the news anchors referred to the protestors "desire to be heard" about 8 times, but never actually elaborated on the protestors concerns with the WTO.
It's a shame that they busted those windows, if only for the reason that somebody could've been hurt, and the negative spin it puts on the protest. But the amount of publicity that a little window-smashing gets in comparison to all the shifty shit that multi-nationals do?!! Come the fuck on.
Seriously though, I'm glad to see you all in here.
And that Mobb/Nas track is booty.
This is a really touchy subject. On one part you have large coporations.
1. They raise the gross national product that creates revenue for the country which keeps the US a world leader
2. They were once small companies that were successful that eventually expanded
3. Believe it or not they provide jobs in other countries that otherwise would be hungry. The fact that they pay little in is proportional to the economy. Don't get me wrong though this isn't a constant.
1. There's a real lack of individuallity in corporations.
2. you lose the mom and pop feel that indie business provides
3. although this is a pro it is also a con. The fact they use 3rd world countries to create products.
There are alot of issues involved here. I can see how easy it is to jump on the independent business bandwagon. You have to consider that the US is based on a capitolist market, this is a major reason we are the world leader right now. If you go against those philosophies then where does the US go.
98% of all businesses are small businesses (<100 employees)
*I didn't read any of your replies because I recently diagnosed myself with a.d.d.
i aint religious and im not totally for non-violence, whooping ass has its place. im just saying sometimes slow and steady can do more then quick and painful, ya know? i know what the country was built on, alot pain and fighting back, but the majority of the time it really hasnt done nothing, i mean for all the fighting thats gone on here we are in 1999 still basically fighting for the same things the people you speak of were. i beleive in fighting against injustices and i also feel like yall my peeps so instead of everyone rioting unorganized and watching young people die or get beat, get together. imagine if everyone hooked before the WTO to disscuss some kind of game plan, shit would be ill, hard to stop. riots may have changed some things but it is few and far between, most of the time it just leaves death and pain and still unresolved issues. we gotta keep fighting against this kinda shit, i just think we need a new game plan, a new set of gloves and a new outlook. times have changed, time to move with it. they aint gonna let this shit slide no more and fo sure they aint giving in. peace.
The United States is not, and has never been a country that supported a free market economy. Since the agricultural era began, power has been unexorably linked to money; those with the wealth, controled the rest. This is easily explained by looking at America in the 1800's, or the medival era, with its serfs and lords, or with mexican sweatshop labor now. My point is that large companies (monopolies) essentially dictate our economy. When our economy is soaring, it is due to the success of the dow jones. The beauty of the American government is how well it deceives the average American. Here, the very word democracy has a good conotation. Children are taught from day 1 that Socialism is bad and we are good. The same holds true of our views on global economy and almost everything political. "View the world through American eyes" is damn right to any kid who comes outta grade 8; our educational system has him duped into thinking that we are the worlds big brother and that we never lose. (<cough, cough> Veitnam, Korea, Cuba, ) not to mention the terrible attrocites that happen silently and unnoticed by average joe.(Mumia, Leonard, NAFTA, East Timor, TIBET, Mexico) And the best part is, the masses are led to beleive that they can change the system by voting! That is a total joke, think about it....so you wanna change something, you not only vote, but you also petition and advertise and get all sosrts of people to vote with you, maybe you get a couple thousand votes. (thats a great turnout for one person lobbying) Then what? that wont do a damn thing versus the 100,000's of "ignorant votes". And it is not like you have a swing in the bills themselves, only the people who represent your "interests". If you do pull off something, the electoral college is in place to keep the powerful in power. The rich get richer, while the bottom 5 or 6 percent of the income ladder are robbing people for ends. Now all the sudden we have a crime problem....ummm..fuckin hello! What do you expect? I am not some kind of radical, but i beleive that we have some real problems here in the States that could be adressed easily if we could just be a little more socialistic and a little less democratic. (ie. take Bill Gates 80 billion or whatever ridiculous amount it is and use it for something useful other than sitting in a bank accumulating) Now I am not sayin take what one man has earned and give it away, but there are surpluses sof money in certain parts of the economy that could be useful, if we deprived the monopolies of some of their incredibkle profits made by fucking the weak and poor, we could really make a change. But that means taking their power too, and so the government has made that illegal (only legal for them to do). Here is the truth: If your vote could really make a signifigant and meaningful change in the way the system is run, the powerful would not let you have it.
I know not all of you agree. So dont bother telling me so.
PS> i realize that this doesnt specifically pretain to the post, but it is close, and you can probably see the connections.
THATS JUST WHAT I BELEIVE YALL.
VB.. You are raising important points. Though I think we should separate "rioting" from "civil disobedience". Civil Disobedience was the centerpiece of MLK's successful strategy to end dujour segregation. Indeed, riots seem merely incidental.
Here are the things I would reccommend to bring about change. First and foremost, read about how a tiny minority of elites controls something like 70% or 80% of the world's resources. Second, discuss these issues with anyone that will listen. Third, subvert corporations in any way possible. This means supporting local and independent businesses. And it also means not being wasteful and materialistic. Corporations rely upon your wastefulness, insecuirty, and materialism to stay in business. And finally, protest big events to draw publicity and let the world know that people still care. Not rioting... protests.
VB.. thanks for the discussion. I haven't been stimulated like this since the last time Icarus and I discussed this sort of thing many months ago. By the way, Ic is a great guy who just invests his emotions a little too much I think.
Don't Fight The Power
...Subvert The Power!
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Because the street departement(i don't know his name in your country) and the army haven t the same budget.
To kill civils(they're calling this :to make war) is profitable ,but to help the poeple of street isn't.