From one kid to another......
i know this is kinda long but if you are going to respond you have to read the whole thing!!
I came to some realizations in the last little while that I wanted to share with my brothers, both black and white. I grew up in a city with a large black population and many of my friends growing up were black, they were great friends and I cherised them all. When I was old enough to realize the injustices in the world, in particular against black people, it made my wonder why someone would want to harm my friends who have shown me nothing but love. Since I was around 12 I began studying things like the life of MLK and Malcom X, aparthied in South Africa, the lifes of Steven Biko and Nelson Mandela, the origns of where I come from and things of such nature. I thought maybe my understanding of the situation would bring me closer to my black friends, and after 10-11 yrs I realized it didn’t. I always thought when blacks spoke ill of whites that they didn’t mean me, I wasn’t racist, how could they think I was! I actually had a conversation with a kid on the net a few weeks ago about Public Enemy and how they felt about white people. He said that when they were shit talking white folks, they meant me too, I was real defensive at that cause, one I love PE and two, I wasn’t racist! I have finally realized that they were talking to me, but this time I knew it wasn’t a bad thing, they werent telling me false things about white people they were telling me the truth, and they were for lack of a better word, re-educating me. I look at the argument like this, are white people responsible for the problems of blacks today? YES. Do all white people feel this is a good thing? NO. Are all white people bad? NO, but again, are we responsible, YES! So this lead me to ask myself some questions.
Being a 24 yr. old Italian male I had to come to grips with racism in this society and how I played a part in it. I had to admit what has taken place since nearly the beginning of time, white supremacy, and the murder and explotiation of non-whites. Most white kids get defensive when black kids say "I hate white kids" or blame there problems on white society, but by not getting angry at these accusations, as feeling this way is justified, and admitting these facts as thruth can we begin to step forward. I admit that white supremacy is real and it does rule the world, the only flip to this is I choose to believe it does not rule me. I am a human being who is guilty of the love and hate we all feel, but I am not a racist and I feel very comfortable saying that. I know who I am and where I come from and I am proud of who I be.
But I also admit that the most of the same people I am genetically linked to do not feel the same, and I feel very sorry for them. Being only 24, an apology for what generations of what whites have done is useless and pointless, but by admitting these facts as truth, you (as a white person) are not admitting that you personally feel this way (unless you do which is also good to admit) you are just admitting that this a real problem and that if you, as a white person, are not trying to fix the situation, you are part of the problem.
I am not here to change the wrongs of the past, whats done is done, I am here to clean the slate and start fresh by living MY LIFE righteous and by not letting the system kill and degrade my black brothers and sisters. The truth my white people have been trying so hard to hide is we are all people, capable of the same emotions, mindstates and weaknesses. When you do not understand something, you fear it, and with that fear brings lies and hate, this in some sense lets you feel you understand the unknown as something you do not need or want, it takes away the fear and you feel justified. This is what we have done. But we are equal, for we always were, most just chose to ignore that fact, but that does not make it any less real, it just means we lied. On this planet you cannot have good without evil, dark without light, ying without yang or black without white. This leads to the unescapable fact that we are all family and as a family should be treated with equality, justice, love and respect. Members of my family have been misinformed and I am here to bring them the truth. Members of my family have been wronged and I am here to try and make it right. The atrocities of the past and present are always here to remember and NEVER FORGET, cause by admitting to our mistakes and recognizing them as wrong it is the way to not repeat them in the future and is finally taking a long overdue step in the right direction.
I realize that many black people may hate whites, this is something I have come to grips with and do not feel anomosity towards blacks for feeling this way, all I can do is give love back regardless of if it is returned, I cannot blame or point fingers, but except it and hope that my love will some day be understood and accepted.
So that’s it, im just one kid trying to do right after so much wrong. I know I cant change the world, I just wanted to let people know how I feel cause revelation without expression is meaningless. This is how I feel from the bottom of my soul, this is me straight up, I hope I can maybe help some peeps, black and white, who are asking themselves the same questions I am.
Peace and Blessings,
Turtle, you know what? You are a moron. How's that for chillin' on the "race issue?"
WoW... Something meaning and a truly deep discussion. Well All I've ever known has been the to love and try to understand different cultures, respect them, embrace them. Man in his natural state(Pre-Civilization) had no natural enemies, Man was a "leaver not a Taker."(ISMAIL) Man after he became civilized, working together, relying on each other, Innovating, Inventing, building, and using even early technological skills, changed.
There is know a division of labor, who presides over this division of labor and tensions now loosed onto what was once man in his natural state. "MAN BECOMES MANS NATURAL ENEMY"
Race doesn't matter it's used as an Ideology for people to Govern by. It Keeps us divided so those who govern can profit from the masses while controlling us. Controlling our beliefs, our thoughts, and our actions, most often Indirectly as it goes so much deeper.
Example why the color of skin doesn't reflect who has or hasn't been oppressed because of it. What about the centuries of atrocities committed by England against Ireland and Scottland, more so the Irish. Not even considered human, everything they ever had was taken from them everything. It hasn't ended, what has seperated these people for centuries is there faith, and they kill each other to this day, for what? Brothers and Sisters they are.
What of the Hutu's and Tutsi's of Central Africa. Who needs to be reminded of the mass killings that have been going on there since before I can recall. These two people are seperated by the number of Livestock the Patriarch of the family has. Can anyone deny that they live in the same places share many of the same cultural traits, Color of skin?!
People kill people and oppress people all over this planet and have been doing so since the beginning of civilation. One day people will stand together, as they are beginning to now, and Unite. This will hopefully lead to a time of great peace, but there is a cycle, a culture that can't be broken. Where there are societies there are conflicts, struggles for power and this is inevitable. There is not enough room for Man and Man on the planet, we can't Hide in the forest like the Pygmies do living in complete harmony with nature, as all man once did. One day they will be introduced to our wicked ways if they haven't already. There is know progression just degression.
One day if the world doesn't end or something all that will be left of the human race is a limbless, fat, stubby body with the exception of perfection, A genetic masterpiece. Out from this lump of humaness comes a wonderfully thin arm, no joints, no wrist, just a finger, just one. The one finger to do all the work a human could ever dream of... Pressing the Big Red Button.
I don't know if anyone will understand that last part, but I hope some see my overall message and thoughts even though this is some truly deep shit that goes beyond all comprehension,The existence of Man, and the Meaning of life.
ANYWAY, Peace and watch out for me at your local Dj Battle
To be honest with you all I am real tired of coming to this board and finding posts about race. You know what, everybody needs to chill on the race issue. For real. A person is a person, how that person reacts to you and how you react to that person is the real race issue. I am the whitest person on earth and I realy don't care about races, personally if you are a cool person you are cool, if you are not you are not. I think that too many people get amped about stuff. If you are cool, your cool regardless of race, race isn't important. I think you are over analyzing. I think that to many view race as more then a difference in skin tone. And that is where the mistake happens.
Interesting post Chris but here's the thing:
I think you stated it best when you said something like all you can do is check yourself, look in the mirror, etc.
You ain't gonna change anyone else. People change themselves.
It's human nature to want to be around people that are alike. Check any school cafetaria in the country. You might find kids before they even know what race is mixing and mingling and playing and working and having a ball together in class. Check em out at lunchtime. Most sit with their own. They will segregate themselves.
It's all good though....You got knowledge of self, and that's your contribution. I think I do, as well, and probably 90% of the cats up on this board.
But don't get it twisted. If it ever came down to your best friend (I think you said he's black), who for some unGodly reason, had to eliminate one race from this earth, (while remaining alive himself regardless)....face it, you're gone, bro.
To end on a positive, I applaud your efforts as well as everyone else in the world who may think like you. If everyone thought that way, this post would be unnecessary.
By the way, you spelled Apartheid wrong.
Oh yeah, that's right....end on a positive...ummmmm....nice shoes. Now if you'll excuse me, I have some beer to eliminate.
Your Self Proclaimed
Hip Hop Historian,
thank siruis, ill definitly go check it out! peace.
Have you ever read the book "Bomb The Suburbs". If you havent I think you should pick it up. Your post reminded me of some of the stories the author(william 'upski'whimstat---i think I spelled it right) tells in that book. plus he has an interesting philosophy on hip hop.
you can problably find it somewhere on the internet( you may have to search - the book is bootlegged as hell)
Im positive you will like this book...
barley graduated highschool, and got kicked out of community college my first week, you dont smell a college education you smell a lost education. peace=]
anyone notice that on Raekwon's Immobilarity, he says a couple times "send out half my love to white people." something like that.
some of my best friends are white.
I smell college educations.
buda, i totally agree with you. through all my readings the one thing i know is how the game is somewhat played. race, religion and all that doesnt mean shit, they want you to spend your time with that while they loot you out the back door. i am comfortable with myself and have looked at myself in the mirror on many occasions, i dont worry about black people, i worry about us all. to make the whole thing short and sweet, im saying instead of white kids bickering with blacks (like they do on here) realize that racism is real, whites have no right to critize non-whites about it, and that its time to personally in your own lives do something to correct it! thats it! i am among the whites that will not be gathered up for the keeping of a pure white rich race, im a broke little fuck trying to eat daily, the unified banks is real scary problem that is happening!! im saying open your eyes to reality, accept what has happened and try to come to grips with it, cuz while we fight there sneaking up behind with a sack to toss us all in the river, evil comes in all colors, it just likes white the best.
Sweden as a country probably hasn't done anything. But in its development I'm sure there was plenty of shit done.
My speculation is the same as yours. Economics, money, power, those are things that drive humans to do some awful shit. But it is not purely speculation. Every race has at one point attempted to conquer other people and have a history of enslaving others.
I agree, white people have become pretty adept at it all.
swedish people never did anything.
i meant white people being responsible for all death and disease because they got the ball rolling with the trade winds.
all races may be guilty of monstrosities but white people are winning....by a lot.
whether or not any other people in the europeans position would of done the same thing is speculation.
i speculate that they would of done the same in the name of money.
but the facts remain. whites are blowing everyone out in the death decathalon.
i mean, blacks have only been considered citizens for roughly 30 years really....that isnt shit
but as always, i'm just fucking around.
and chris...nothing can start over....but then again i dont hold grudges or classify people into little groups....or at least i try not to....getting rid of an old racist power structure is impossible and nothing will fix what has happened....thats just reality....black people were never included from the beginning and probably never will be included in the grand scheme of things....thats fucked up...and thats reality....to me though its about economics and this huge race game was thrown out to keep the masses grumbling while the real mccoys put forth the real plan....it just doesnt matter....race, religion and the like are pawns....they are obstacles to keep you busy....i'm more worried about the consolidation of the banking industry....its right in front of us....when everything is said and done color is irrelevant....i doubt the high cabal is gonna let the broke white motherfuckers in the gate
Chris, racism is complicated, racism exists within a single group as well as among a variety of groups. I wouldn't advise anyone to align themselves with people based off such things as race, religion, or class. I would advise people to search out others of like-mind (hopefully knowledgable people) and build relations and communty out of a sharing of ideas and not color.
Historically, no race is free of guilt.
I think u have some valid points but i think to many blacks use the excuse of faliing because of the white man to often.Blacks do get the short end of shit allot but u cant always use that as an excuse. Besides blaming whites u should blame these black leader assholes like Jesse JAckson who stick up for any black cause even if the black person is guilty which is bullshit. They said allot dont care fair trials if the person is guilty fait=r tial or not i dont want that low life on the streets. SO to blame everything on the white man is stupid u have to look yourself in the mirror once in awhile,and in all honestly its cooll u worry aqbout blacks but i myself have to worry about my dman life i honestly could care less about other causes have the time cuz i have to get my life in order peace
the above was aimed at buda......
but as a black kid, does me knowing that and admitting that, change they way you might feel about white people if this became a universal theme? like i said we can never forget but do you think we could ever start over? if white kids like myself were ready to put there lifes on the line and stand shoulder to shoulder with you and fight this till we either won or died, you would accept these whites as family? im just curious cause i always approached racism as an individual topic but its not, thats why most white kids on this board get defensive (like i used to) they take it personally when they shouldnt. so if even if kids like me, who werent born with a siver spoon in ther mouth and are willing to admit fault say lets do this, lets get rid of this old racsit power struture and try to get some kind of equality, does it make a difference? and if its doesnt what will? peace.
Buda: "white people are responsible for pretty much all of the death and disease that has happened ever."
I know a lot of the stuff you type are jokes, but that comment is not true. Every "race" of people have done their share of atrocities and I doubt whether any other "race" in a similar position as white Europeans would have done any different.
If you were just fucking around, disregard my post.
Thats not true thw white man supplies me with many things whenever i dabble in nose candy the good white men hook me up how dare u say that ignorant B.S. by the way where darryl strawberry with my blow that cat is always skimming shit
sorry i didnt read the whole thing.
i read more than half though.
i blame the mexicans for that and their food.
i have to poop.
but you are correct.
white people suck.
white people are responsible for pretty much all of the death and disease that has happened ever.
after that everything is irrelevant.