What made Vanilla Ice so weak ?!?!?!
I heard so many people diss him , what did he do ?
I should specify that we hardly heard of him from where i live , i mean when he was supposely in his "prime time " . Hip Hop never got much attention here back then , exept for local independent radios and college radios . The only big weak hype i remember is Mc Hammer , but Vanilla Ice never really made it . What was up with that dude ? I might sound ignorant , but i really never heard shit from him . Except an interview with him lately , he is in a punk/rock band now , that's all i pretty much know about him. But i did saw a pic of him , shit , he looked exactly like Everlast before he was with house of pain . So how come Everlast never got dissed ? They both looked the same and white mc's back then weren't really "accepted" .
why was he weak ?
Just curious.... was he a mc hammer clone or something ?
Anyways , I still think that the dopest white mc is Everlast when he was in h.o.p . Shit , he had such a rude voice and a violent flow , that's mostly why he had a lot of respect from black mc's and did lots of collaboration with the illest black mc's in a time when white mc's were a true minority . Shit we need more whiteys like him , a bad motherfucka , not some little pretty face skinny suckers like most of them today .
" I'm running upon ya , I ain't gonna warn ya "
"Cuz i'm the same motherfucker that i ever was "
Shit ... Everlast , the illest white boy to ever touch a mic . Yeah yeah maybe he wasent on youre scientific/intellectual style like youre white boys today , but he was ill . 3 classic albums , don't sleep .
True hardcore Irish on the mic .
I can happily say i never dug Vanilla Ice. If he wants to do rock now, so be it! I don't think he will ever be respected as an artist. Oh well...
And, VH1 did a Behind the Music on him. Part of the ongoing saga to resurrect the wack.
teenwolf, I believe that interscope is owned by white people.
p.s. vanilla ice had a cool tupperware motorbike plus he got an interview in maximum rock and roll last year...
I just typed a nine paragraph dissertation on why you shouldn't really hate on EMINEM and then I got kicked off AOL. FUCK!!!!!!!!
Anyways, I'm not restating the argument but here were the highlights:
1. I never knew EMINEM was white when I first heard Just Don't Give A Fuck. I think that song is dope, regardless of what he looks like. To modify a quotation from a stupid ass chick flick, "He had me at Schottenheimer"
2. Ianeed, I respect you greatly for your almost always insightful, constructive posts, but you are straight up an EMINEM basher, any chance you get. Where'd all that hatred for him come from? If I use the search option with subject title "EMINEM", I'd bet a box of Bruces that you have replies to at least half of them. (Kinda like myself when cats bring up KRS, positive or negative). Simply put, your opinions in these instances are biased for whatever reasons.
3. Don't hate Marshall Mathers because he was offered opportunities that dope emcees like the Last Emperor & others were not. If this is truly a result of affirmative action, then don't blame EMINEM. He is only doing what every striving emcee dreams of: a chance to let cats everywhere hear his skills and get paid at the same time. I don't know if you rhyme or not, Ianeed, but if DRE called you up (virtually overnight) and offered you a deal, would you have said no? If so, you're either an idiot or a liar. To top things off, EMINEM and his Mom were broke. Easy decision, if you ask me. Even if he was a rich kid, he'd be an ass to turn down a chance to work with DRE.
4. I really thought Vanilla Ice was a wack emcee for the same reason I hated HAMMER: Too much dancing, not enough lyrics.
5. Let's all get WASTED
Your Self Proclaimed
Hip Hop Historian,
P.S. Used to listen to ESOTERIC on 88.9
for the longest time before I decided to
go check one of his shows. When I saw him
on stage, I had to ask a kid who he was. My
predisposed notions of him was that he was
black. He's as white as Roy Tarpley's nostrils! Still dope though.
FUCK A TV........... I'll keep my RADIO.
FUCK WHAT ALL YALL HEARD.CAGE IS WAY NYSER.EMINEM BIT CAGES LYRICS SO HE COULD BE COOL.EMINEM IS NOTHING BUT A FUCKING PUPPET.
I think kids like IANNED got some issues. THIS IS A POST ABOUT VANILLA ICE. He finds a way to intertwine Em in 75% of his posts. Get off it . Please. ( Coming from a 17 year old black male living in North Miami Beach FL.) To me Eminem has skills. Back to the point. Ianneed is correct when it comes to the Elvis comparison. Vanilla Ice bought rhymes . True. Copied Mc Hammer's style( Flashy Suits wack dancing outrageous hair) . And claimed to be from the hardcore streets of Miami. Which was a lie. Got his video played 600 times a day on mtv. Made a stupid movie called cool as ice. And like most pop icons chosen by teen white girls, he was gone in a year and a half. Everlast is ill too.
man yall got some issues to deal with! someone please tell me why Em's color has anything to do with his popularity?? this arguement is always brought up and I really dont get it. Im not an Em fan, I really couldnt care less about the guy, but its such a cop-out to blame his success on his color. hes been around along time before he got signed, and in fact signed to a BLACK owned label, wanna blame anyone for putting his face everywhere blame DRE, hes making the moolah off of it. so what about the other black artists who are popular, what made them so great to MTV/radio if they arnt white? and dont tell me skillz, cuz most peeps on MTV or the radio are pretty weak (with a few exceptions). If your argument were true there be a million white MC's on TV, and as of right now you can count them all on one hand. come up with a better argument then color, it holds no weight, and please prove me wrong if you think otherwise. peace.
I always though "Light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle" was a good line.
I find this conversation very disturbing
how do you judge an emcees skill on a scale of 1-10? well, first off 3 points for delivery, 2 points for lyrical content, and go ahead and add 5 points for being black.
FUCK YALL HERBS!!!!!!!!!
Biggie, first off, fuckin sucked for the most part. I thought this underground thing was based on the fact that we didn't like people who flow about monet, moet, jewelry, etc.
also, eminem's relationship with dre is in no way any stranger than biggie and puff's relationship, smell it???
Fuck being black.
Fuck being white.
Fuck being you.
everybody jump aboard the mtv train and just go with it.
people who say that Eminem is wack have no basis for it. if a white kid dissed eminem, it's because he's afraid em will turn out like Vanilla Ice, or MiilkBone, or someone, and he wants to say that he never liked EM.
not gonna happen.
if a black kid disses EM it's because, his favorite much more realer, much more hardcore, much more dope, much more tanned, much more stereotypical Black emcee got slept on. how many RZA's, Mos Def's, Rakim's
do we need? Em came out original and brought a whole new feel to hiphop.
a feel for raves, shrooms, white trash, and being proud of it. yall are scared.
Fearing that hiphop may be overcome and overtaking by white emcees?
not gonna happen. but thier will be more, and they will get continually iller, and more non-black wannabees. look out.
"if i had a house on the ISLE OF MTV, and a home in hells flames, i'd sell my house and go home." Grinna aka Tha Smyle Cracker.
Peroxide blonde hair and earrings,whiny girl voices and wack attitudes..no wait thats...
biggie would beat the shit out of eminem for being a guest appearance on his album.
on the eminem note.FUCK EMINEM.cage serves eminem any way you slice it.anybody that denies that is a pop-listenin,gimmick believin,BITCH
Yo, your out of control. Em outshine BIG on the Dead wrong remix, now thats just biased, that verse wasn;t evn all that. "Marshall steppin through the door, I'll lay your head on the floor" Oh yeah, are you gonna "beat me with a bat, while I'm sitting on a mat, and knock off my hat" shut the fuck up. I've heard him do much better than that. My point isn't about Black and Latino people. It's about if Eminem was just some regular nigga that came out he wouldn't get as much publicity. Look at The Last Emperor, he's nicer than Eminem, so why did faggot ass white boy get to drop first, he was on the label longer. Just cuz of the market, its all businee the corp. bastards just know that Amerikkka wants to hear a white MC.
you're right on the musican tip, they arent the greatest emcees of all time though
Aight, first of all: Ianeed, I couldn't disagree more with your statements. I sincerely believe that if a black rapper with the exact same flow as Eminem came out, you would sweat his fuckin balls. See "Dead Wrong." See "Role Model." See "Forgot About Dre." See "Any Man." Ah fuckit, I could go on forever. Eminem is NASTY, plain and simple. People love him for the same reason people love Busta--he rhymes about DIFFERENT shit. He has his own unique delivery. He brings a little charisma to this fucking monotonous hip hop game. AND YES, a lot of white kids DO love the fact that one of the nastiest emcees today "looks like them." Is that wrong? Was it wrong when black people jocked Tiger Woods? Jackie Robinson? NOW I'M NOT COMPARING EMINEM TO EITHER OF THESE PEOPLE, but you should see my point. Of course he gets extra attention because he is white! What do you expect?! And I understand that a lot of people can't stand Em's voice or his subject matter, and that's cool to have your own opinion on him, but for you to say he has no skills is absolutely ridiculous. Underneath all the MTV, the bleach blond hair, and all that shit, is an MC that puts most of today's material to shame. It is completely obvious that you've got a Vanilla chip on your shoulder.
And to Ezel, there is no "sort of" about the Beastie's skills. They are on a level of creativity and musicianship that most "hip-hoppers" know nothing about.
FUCKIT IF I OFFENDED ANYONE. I had to get that off my chest. (DAMN, sometimes I wish Em woulda just came out with a mask over his face.)
Peace to all those who judge artists on skill, not skin color,
(while noddin' my white-bred head to the Dead Wrong remix, listening to Em outshine the Notorious one.)
In case you didn't know Eminem is not the only white emcee, unfortunatly due to MTV it seems that way. You make it sound like just because someone is white they have no skills what so ever. I'm not sure if that was what you were intending to say, but if it is, you're wrong. There are many white emcees out there with much more talent than Eminem. Just because one white emcee is wack, there is no need to stereotype every one else.
word ianeed... same deal with the beasties, only they have skills...sort of
His skills were absolutely nonexistent. But no more so than Hammer. What made Vanilla Ice get shitted on so bad was not only lying and trying to present stereotypes of being "black," "hardcore," or "street," but the fact that the white mainstream public ate the shit up. He was like Elvis--one who imitated black art poorly and reaped the benfits because to white society, his "music" was an acceptable form for whites to listen to. MTV loved him. White parents rushed to buy his album, because finally they could allow their daughters to swoon over a white heartthrob instead of those black monsters (God forbid they might actually want to date one). Vanilla Ice and Marky Mark paved the way for Feminem to get such publicity from the mainstream media outlets. Today, Em's lack of any meaningful content in his lyrics (drugs and psycho shock nonsense), backstreet boy pop icon image, homosexual affiliation with Dre explain his popularity. More than anything else, though, his white skin has been more responsible for his fame than his skills (which have been almost as absent as Vanilla Ice's since Infinite).
P.S.: Feminem dickriders (probably white 13 year old pimplefaced socially backward nerds) don't reply to this. Yes. I shitted on your hero, and will continue to do so as long as you jock him simply because you want to hype an MC who looks like you.
I also didn't dig him. Vanilla Ice was just fake, plain and simple. Add into that they were playing his record 24-7. And you have one of the most hated rappers of all time.