Krs-one Vs. Mc Shan...
I was listening to a couple of old school songs the other day and I came along MC Shan's "The Bridge" and all of a sudden I got hype. Even though what he said in the song wasn't true, I still liked the song not only because Marley Marl dropped a nice beat but because I think this song made KRS-One blow up on the scene and shut this guy and the whole Juice Crew down. This is the greatest beef in rap history the way I see it. I would say it was the greatest battle but the truth is once Boogie Down Productions dropped their debut album "Criminal Minded," one of the greatest albums in rap, MC Shan's career was flushed down the toilet by the songs "The Bridge is Over" and "South Bronx." What ever happened to MC Shan? Does anybody know what he does now? Can anybody direct me to an article or interview where it explains MC Shan's initial impression of BDP and his reaction to the BDP disses of him? You might think that what I'm talking about is in the deep past and has been analyzed over and over again but you got to understand that this was a major and crucial issue about where Hip-hop started that cannot be forgotten and to me KRS-One is like a hero or saviour because he wasn't having it with all the lies and B.S. of where rap began and he was the first and only rapper back then to let people know the truth of where rap all began and he shut down anyone who said otherwise. DJ Red Alert can't forget it either and you can tell this easily because his new old school album mix has "The Bridge" and "South Bronx" on it. He plays "The Bridge" and then he jumps into the "South Bronx" to remind people of the beef and to let people know where he's coming from. He was an actual member of the BDP crew and he can tell you why BDP had to come on the scene when it did and why "Criminal Minded" was essential to rap. If anybody can answer the questions above about MC Shan's whereabouts and reactions, I would really appreciate it. I would like to know what your thoughts are on this topic too, especially native New Yorkers like me. PEACE!
"i've listen to the bridge over and over.. and not once did shan ever say hiphop started in queens bridge.. everyone is brainwashed by krs one!"
If you listened to that Future flavas promo you gave me you will here Marley Marl in the background saying "yeah that's where hip-hop started at." He just finished playing "the Bridge." Stop trying to tell me that that wasn't what they said. Marley says it clearly in that promo and even if they actually didn't say that hip hop started in the Bridge in the song "The Bridge" you can tell easily that they were insinuating that message in the song because they actually didn't have the guts to say it straight up and continuoulsy repeat it because they know it isn't true. And even if they weren't saying that it started out in the Bridge, the first impression of that song is that it did and only after one has broken down the lyrics to see what they really said can anyone tell if that was what they were saying or not. And by the way, I think Marley played that song only once because he knew he would eventually stir up some beef from those who disagreed. And everything that MC Shan said in the promo I said in the previous posts but I'll say this now and I'll say it again no one can ever step to KRS. PEACE!
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Everybody knows what he was talking about. Of course he was
talking about Queensbridge being the birthplace of rap. "Hip hop was
set out in the dark they used to do it out in the park."
Again.. shan never said rap or hiphop started in queens bridge.
they used to do it out in the park!
shan is talkin' about the queens bridge cats that used to jam in the parks!
>just like every area in nyc you had djs and emcees all over the place.. so when shan says they used to do it out in the park! he aint sayin it started in queens bridge! shan is sayin' queens bridge cats was doing it out in the park!
i've listen to the bridge over and over.. and not once did shan ever say hiphop started in queens bridge.. everyone is brainwashed by krs one!
i mean im from brooklyn.. and if cats ask me whats up.. i'll tell them cats like frankie d and scooby do was doing it out in the parks (marcy & tompkins park to be on point) now that aint sayin' hiphop started in brooklyn... its just sayin' that hiphop was going on in brooklyn!
i respect bdp and the juice crew... (and even tho you can't tell by the way im on shan's side now.. but i was 100% on bdp's side when all that beef was going on! but you have to remember thats when i didnt know all the facts)
This is directed to CRATES1974:
"you can't base your facts on one side of the story!!)
>shan says you love to here the story again and again how it all got started way back when!
what shan is talkin' about is queens bridge! when shan says they used to do it out in the park he's talkin about what was going on in queens bridge!"
Everybody knows what he was talking about. Of course he was talking about Queensbridge being the birthplace of rap. "Hip hop was set out in the dark they used to do it out in the park." And even if KRS had beef with Mr. Magic and even if Mr. Magic helped him get started in the biz (it's always good to know someone in the biz) it didn't make any difference because he focused on what Shan amd Marley Marl were saying. Like I said above I give MC Shan respect because KRS used MC ShAn as a platform to blow up on. And if you are trying to tell me that MC Shan can lyrically compete against KRS you should be ashamed of yourself. KRS should give him a little respect but just a little because if MC Shan wasn't saying that Hip-hop started out in the bridge then why didn't he come out and say that and challenege KRS' words? Maybe MC Shan has been behind the scenes in the biz but KRS did so many things and has gained much more respect in rap than MC Shan will ever be able to do (Money is not everything). By the way when was the last time MC Shan dropped an album? And as for that Future flavas promo. I didn't clearly make out MC Shan's words and I doubt KRS-one heard that but even if he did I think KRS feels that his quarrels with him are in the past. KRS-One did what he had to do when he had to do it. If MC Shan is picking a fight he's picking it with the wrong person and it is pretty lame now to start calling out KRS when he should of done it like 12 years ago.
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Future Flavaz Promo - Marley played this once and never played it again.. this is MC Shan's promo for Future Flavaz... Shan even takes some shots at KRS (not in a beef way...but in a show me a little respect way) i should also say that krs one heard this promo and never responded to it! because krs knows shan was tellin' the truth!
The Bridge (live on studio y) - the bridge is still rocking.
it aint all about the money but it sure is nice to have a few million in the bank...)
alot of people are scared to pull krs's card because he's the quote
on quote "god" but for those that know the deal... KRS and BDP
would even be around if it wasnt for Mr Magic and the Juice Crew.
I was listening to a couple of old school songs the other day and I
came along MC Shan's "The Bridge" and all of a sudden I got hype.
Even though what he said in the song wasn't true,
first of all get your facts straight! mc shan never said hiphop started in queens bridge! (the problem with the krs vs shan debate is everyone listens to what krs one has to say! you can't base your facts on one side of the story!!)
>shan says you love to here the story again and again how it all got started way back when!
what shan is talkin' about is queens bridge! when shan says they used to do it out in the park he's talkin about what was going on in queens bridge!
krs one is the one who tried to make something out of nothing!
alot of people don't even know but that beef never had anything to do with what shan said on the bridge!
all that beef started when krs one and some other cats most likely scott la rock, etc.. walked into a recording studio where marley marl and mr magic were working.. and krs wanted to talk with mister magic about tryin' to get on etc.. but magic wasnt really feelin' krs one or bdp.. so he kinda brushed them off... (marley never even knew that krs one was the same cat from that day in the studio)
krs one was pissed at mr magic! so he took it out on magic's crew (aka the juice crew)
alot of people are scared to pull krs's card because he's the quote on quote "god" but for those that know the deal... KRS and BDP would even be around if it wasnt for Mr Magic and the Juice Crew.
Mc Shan is still in the music biz.. and if you look at krs vs mc shan on a biz level... mc shan has seen more than krs will ever see. (sure it all about money it sure is nice to have a few million in the bank...)
This is directed to shambhala. You can't compare MC Shan's career to KRS-one's. You kiddin me or what? The Juice Crew was finished with as soon as BDP came out. Since "Criminal Minded" came out, BDP dropped like 5 or 6 albums and KRS-One alone has dropped like 4 or 5 and every time he drops something he gains more respect. How many has MC Shan dropped or the Juice Crew? Marley Marl dropped a couple of albums but a lot of the songs were Juice Crew hits. Nothing new or worth talking about. Kool G. Rap, Bid Daddy Kane, Biz Markie have all dropped notable albums but you never hear them mentioning the Juice Crew days. So what if MC Shan has guest appeared on tracks you can't measure that to KRS-One's illustrious career. Ask MC Shan who destroyed his career. I'll bet you he'll say it was his big mouth that was full of lies that ended it because he had to go in hiding when KRS-One put his ass in check. And ask him where HIp-Hop got started out. I'm pretty sure he won't say "The Bridge." I'm not trying to disrespect MC Shan because he had his 15 minutes of fame in rap and he sparked a lot of controversy but when someone like you shambhala comes and talks some 'ol BS to me about how MC Shan continued his career in rap, I just want to laugh. What could he do to make up for "The Bridge?" Say he was wrong? It was too late KRS-One already did that for him. No one respected him at that time and he sure didn't sell that many records when he came out with another album. KRS-One is on a whole different level than MC Shan, a level he can never reach because KRS is a multifarious and excessively intelligent and skillful MC who has contributed a great deal to rap for the past 15 years. You can't say the same for MC Shan. PEACE!
EVERY dj i saw for 2 years and many many after that played those 2 songs together.
on a related topic i need krs vs. melle whos still got it
"mc shan's career was flushed down the toilet"
"shut this guy and the whole juice crew down"
mc shan's career continued long after criminal minded dropped, and the juice crew produced some of the most classic hip hop records of all time for years after that overhyped beef.
MC Shan was on the QB's Finest ????really
Also check Snow's informer...shudder....
He was on the screwball lp too....y2k i think.
I believe MC Shan was on the QB's Finest album with Nas.