Jay Z = Average
why do y'all ride jay z so hard? crimminy. i mean its good music to bump in a car when you're drunk.. but he's an average mc. reasons:
1. he rarely alters his flow. he uses the same format for every one of his verses, rhyming couplets. he doesnt rap particularily fast.
2. he has your standard rap voice. nothing really different about his delivery or voice.
3. his subject matter is basic. i know a lot will argue that he does rhyme about alot of shit but 80% of it is about how jiggy he is. he never says anything that ever makes me think.
so i ask you.. what makes jay z such a great fucking emcee? i want to see some quotes that show me his merit as a writer.. something that makes me think.
and as far as his flow goes... you can't tell me that he can outflow the likes of aceyalone, aloeblacc or even dose one (yes i said it.. he is the only mc i can think of that matches his flow perfectly with the drum patterns of every beat he uses)
insults to me will only prove your ignorance..
please keep this intelligent..
first off/\/\/\----your wrong if you aint feelin those soulful vibe beats your just plain hating, and the samples<<<<<< no comment very dope tho,explain how you think they wack(what dont you like about them?)
umm meske your totally wrong, if you cant do something what gives you a right to "diss on" or "discredit" someone whos doin it? thats not critiquing,someone just sayin "thats wack" "he wack" "thats not hard" "that dont mean anything". when they never rocked a crowed or spit into a mic is hipocritical if you spit into a mic you know what i mean, how can YOU HATE IF YOU CANT DO IT? theres a big diff. between "well i wish this was diff." "or he could do blah blah" but "he sux" "i hate his music" is ridiculous
THATS LIKE A COUCH POTATO WHO IS A FAT SLOB WHO CANT MOVE LET ALONE PLAY SAYIN: "OH....MICHAEL JORDAN SUX!", just becuz he is great doesnt mean they have to like him, we all have diff tastes and opinions but we all know he doesnt suck. and who are they to diss him?
thats what i meant by if you dont pick up a mic leave
but my point is cop RD and vol.1 and dynasty and listen! to the whole cd,skip over the club songs if you want then come back an front on jay-z's skills and memorizing your shit isnt hard, BUT MEMORIZING IT WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT OR READING IT IS,TRY IT
SINCE when did memorizing a whole song and then spitting the lyrics become freestyling?? that ain't freestyling. That's memorizing. Now remember that...
And yo, Jay-z ain't wack...he's nice overall But still not spectacular. There's nothing that he says that make me go "wow". He's solid though. when y'all come on here talking about "jay-z is one of the best"..y'all out y'all damn minds. Y'all know damn well Jay ain't touching monch or Black thought...y'all know that. Check some pharoahe monch or something, or talib. jay-z is more average than spectacular. analyze their flows, delivery, content, all that.
And that new album of his is mediocre than a mothaf#cka. only a little good at the most. Ain't a damn thing impressive except for a few songs..but the beats hold down it's value a whole lot. If he had beats that joint would be pretty good, but he needs some damn producers before y'all start calling his sh!t "Nice". Tell me i'm lying.
I'm felling you in regards to hov, I mean come on he let Mobb Deep and Nas have it something terrible. Element you have the words to that one? I Z Z A, I thought was a bite off Snoop, but it's all good.
listening to mac lethal
just out of curiosity.. because i do rap and make beats..
but why do you have to rap in order to critique a rapper?
would you critique nsync? yes
are you in a boy band? no. well, maybe
FIRST LET ME START BY SAYING IF YOU DONT PICK UP A MIC OR EVER HAVE OR EVER RECORDED SHIT LEAVE NOW AND SHUT UP............
now, he does think up a line and memorize it, then another and another until he has an entire song in his head without ever writing anything down<<<<
his flow is thee best,he is the most consistent mc, he only had one iffy album and thats volume 2 and compare the commercial hits on that cd to the ones of the past year and the mans still dope, just becuz he can produce a track thats hot and can get the majority of the masses to cop his single and or whole album for it yall hate, but thats the whole point of singles, to get peeps to cop your shit, and who buys the majority of music? people who want a tight beat or a catchy hook, but check the other 12 13 14 songs on his albums
GO OUT AND BUY REASONABLE DOUBT AND FRONT,ooooh and btw that cd had "aint no nigga" as the lead single with a video,try dissing RD as a classic
THEN BUY VOL. 1 that cd is almost as dope as RD minus the puff/kim track ,that cd is one of thee best sophomore efforts in the history of the game
VOL.2 WAS A COMMERCIALSUCCESS YES and i know you all hate on that but the commercial hits were hotter than any others and even compared to now, hard knock life<VOL.3 the most underrated album of that year, cats heard do it again(which was dope) and "big pimpin" (which was a nice club track) and discredited it, but that joint is chalked full of hits and bangers "i think theres been a murder" is the most undeerrated track on there,that cd is a must hafe just listen to it skip the club songs if you may
DYNASTY-OH LORD this cd is tight, but cats still hate, the intro is dope,the whole cd minus the memph bleek only song and the sigel memph track, is tight,the only beef with it is the large guest appereance and how he made it a rew album more than his own, but its just as tight as vol.3 not as dope as vol.1 and RD is classic,d/l the songs buy the cd just listen then you cant front
he is consistent, he can get personal, he can diss, he can tell a damn tight story he can rep, he can get introspective and yea he braggadocio but he does it well he is on top of his game hate all you want but you cant listen to him and see what he does with the memorizing and call him wack
"I got the feds sending me letters 'cause Im schooling the youth
But they cant lock me down 'cause my tool is the truth
Yeah I sold drugs for a living, thats a given
Why is it? why dont y'all try to visit the neighboorhoods I lived in
My mind been through hell, my neighborhood is crime central
Where cops lock you more than try to defend you
I push you to the limit when I'm needing the wealth
And all I see is life cycle just repeatin' itself
Ran into shorty boppin' down the ave
On his way to clockin' mad then
He proceeded to show me a block of slab and said...."
(memphis bleek came on next) - Can I Live 2, Reasonable Doubt
Jay-Z wasn't in 8 Iz Enuff but rather "Da Graveyard" on Lifestylez.
Jay-Z thinks up lines/songs and memorizes them. This is quite different from freestyling albums.
i could just choose a random jay-z verse, and come up with some dope shit. The problem with his verses is that it doesn't even have HALF of what you HEAR. maybe you don't understand - well listen to the verses and you will.
"...a lot of speculation
on the moneys I've made, honeys I've slayed
How is he for real? Is that nigga really paid?
Hustlers I've met or, dealt with direct
Is it true he slay the beef and slept with a tech?
What's the position you hold? Can you really match
a triple platinum artist buck by buck by only a single goin gold?
Roc-A-Fella ship fold, and you're left out in the cold
Is it back to charging motherfuckers 11 for an O
For the millionth time askin me
Questions like Wendy Williams, harrassin me
then get upset when I catch feelings
Can I get a minute to breathe? And in that minute you leave
While I'm looking at my Rol' ice spinnin on my sleeve
Uh, nice watch, do you really have a spot?
Like you said in Friend or Foe and if so, what block?
What you doin in L.A., with phillipinos and ese's
Latinos and Cheve's, down by Pico withh Frederico
I answer all your questions but then y'all got to go
Now the question I ask you is how bad you want to know? BLAOW!"
-a million and one questions, Vol.1 (dj premier)
"Motherfuckers can't rhyme no more, bout crime no more
Til I'm no more, cause I'm so raw
My flow expose holes that they find in yours
Wasn't for me, niggaz still be dying for whores
But I hate when a nigga sit back, admirin yours
Young blood you better get that, we frying baccars
Niggaz don't want to be confined to riding the iron horse
And don't listen to the rappers, they dying to floss
I used to be O.T., applyin the force
Shoot up the whole block, then the iron I toss
Come back with the click playing Diana Ross
I'm the boss and this is how it's gonna be
Burnt the turnpike, wild miles on the V
I got mouths to feed till they put flowers on me
And kiss my cold cheek, chicks crying like I was Cochise
Tombstone read 'He Was Holdin No Leaks'
Started from the crack game and then so sweet
Freaked it to the rap game, Jigga the old-G
On MTV, telling em how I sold D
And used to back work up out of apartment 4-B
Me and my homie, started out coldies
Picked the mailbox lock cause I ain't have no key
Had the cable with the anchor when Jaz made 'Sophie'
Then I went low key, but now I'm back it's on
-rhyme no more, Vol 1 (dj premier again).
"While I'm watchin every nigga watchin me closely
my shit is butter for the bread they wanna toast me
I keep my head, both of them where they supposed to be
Hoes'll get you sidetracked then clap from closed feet
I don't sleep, I'm tired, I feel wired like codeine, these days
a brother gotta admire from four fiends away
My pain wish it was quick to see, from sellin 'caine
til brains was fried to a fricaisse, can't lie
At the time it never bothered me, at the bar
gettin my thug on properly, my squad and me
lack of respect for authority, laughin hard
Happy to be escapin poverty, however brief
I know this game got valleys and peaks, expectation
for dips, four percent pertation we stack chips, hardly
The youth I used to be, soon to see a mill'in
No more, Big Willie my game has grown prefer you call me William
Illin for revenues, grateful dim the light
channel 7 news, round seven jewels, hand gettin the mic
Forgettin all I ever knew, convenient amnesia
I suggest you call my lawyer, I know the procedure
Lock my body can't trap my mind, easily
explain why we adapt to crime
I'd rather die enormous than live dormant that's how we on it
Live at the main event, I bet a trip to Maui on it
Presidential suites my resedential for the weekend
Confidentially speakin in codes since I sense you peekin
The INXS rental, don't be fooled my game is mental
We both out of town dog, what you tryin to get into?
Viva, Las Vegas, see ya, later at the crap tables
meet me by the one that starts a G up
This way no fraud Willie's present gambling they re-up
And we can have a pleasant time, sippin margaritas
Ge-ge-geyeahhh, can I live?
Can I live?" - Can I Live, Reasonable Doubt
"If I shoot you, I'm brainless
Different toilet, same shit, and I'm sick of explainin this
I'm waitin on arraignment, my nigga is the plantiff
Yeah, I know what you thinkin - fucked up ain't it?
I shoulda known better, and I planned to
but dog they be takin me out of my zone like a nigga with a handle
I sat back and watched it, put the gats back in the closet
I tried to tie my hands like an Iraqi hostage
Let niggaz take shots at me, no response
I just - flip and, pop my collar like the Fonz
You give a nigga a foot he'll take you one step beyond
He'll try to play you twice, the third time is the charm
You wanna conversate with the writer of the Qu'ran
or Old Testament, don't test him then
I know what y'all thinkin dick, pause
Your future's my past, I've been here before
I know when you're schemin, I feel when you plottin
I got, mental vision, intuition
I know where you goin I read your mind's navigational system
Everybody whisperin - pst pst pst ss perspirin" - Streetz is Talking - The Dynasty.
"See I was -- born in sewage, born to make bomb music
Flow tight like I was born Jewish
Used the streets as a conduit - I kept arms
38 longs inside my mom's Buick
At any given moment Shawn could lose it, be on the news
Iron cuffs - arms through it; or stuffed with embalmin fluid
Shit, I'm goin through it - mom dukes too
Tears streamin down her pretty face, she got her palms to it
My life is gettin too wild
I need to bring some sort kinda calm to it
Bout to lose it; voices screamin "Don't do it!"
It's like '93, '94, bout the year
that Big and Mack dropped; and "Illmatic" rocked
outta every rag drop, and the West had it locked
Everybody doin 'em, I'm still scratchin on the block
like "Damn; I'ma be a failure"
Surrounded by thugs, drugs, and drug - paraphenalia
Cops courts, and their thoughts is to derail us
Three time felons in shorts with jealous thoughts
Tryin figure where your mail is, guesstimate the weight you sellin
So they can send shots straight to your melon; wait!
It gets worse, baby momma water burst
Baby came out stillborn, still I gotta move on
Though my heart still torn, life gone from her womb
Don't worry, if it was meant to be, it'll be -- soon" - This Can't be life, The Dynasty
I could post up 30 more dope ass lyrics, but what are the chances you'll read this.
fuckin geeks i can't wait till you guys go find a new fuckin bandwagon to jump on
"invarilin: i just cant understand, i want to fucking hell"
and this cat said that if jay-z comes off the top w/ everything he records that he cant freestyle worth shit?
"Ahh, who wanna bet us that we don't touch leathers
Stack cheddars forever, live treacherous all the et ceteras
To the death of us, me and my confidants, we shine
You feel the ambiance, y'all niggaz just rhyme
By the ounce dough accumulates like snow
We don't just shine, we illuminate the whole show; you feel me?
Factions from the other side would love to kill me
Spill three quarts of my blood into the street, let alone the heat
Fuck em, we hate a nigga lovin this life
In all possible ways, know the Feds is buggin my life
Hospital days, reflectin when my man laid up
On the Uptown high block he got his side sprayed up
I saw his life slippin, this is a minor set back
Yo, still in all we livin, just dream about the get back
That made him smile though his eyes said, "Pray for me"
I'll do you one better and slay these niggaz faithfully
Murder is a tough thing to digest, it's a slow process
and I ain't got nothin but time
I had near brushes, not to mention three shots
close range, never touched me, divine intervention
Can't stop I, from drinkin Mai-Tai's, with Ta Ta
Down in Nevada, ha ha, Poppa, word life
I dabbled in crazy weight without rap, I was crazy straight
Potnah, I'm still spendin money from eighty-eight... what?"
"invarilin: so, if i understand some of your comments right, most of jay-z's shit is NOT written down. that would make him a terrible mc because if some of his songs are freestyles then this proves that he can't freestyle for shit."
"Since my date of birth
bought you nothing but hurt
play those video games
stole change from ya purse
Sat on the cold court bench
'til I was arraigned in ya skirt
Saw the pain in ya face
through you maintained a smirk
All you did was motivate me
don't let 'em hold you back
What I do I turned around
and I sold you crack
I was a bastard for that
still I'm drowning in shame
Just remember one thing now
you're not to blame
You was newly seperated
tryin' to escape ya world
and through my thirst
I didn't help you
I just made things worse
I hated me and everybody
that created crack
Had me thinkin'
the newest kicks and the latest gat
Still haven't apologized
so please play this back
while I try to come to terms
with such a heinous act
you know in more than one way
cocaine numbs the brain
All I did was think about
how the funds once came
then I ran across this memory
and it stung the brain
How can you ever destroy the beauty
from which one came
That's a savage you're the reason
why me and these beats make a marriage
why I rhyme above average and
I ain't shit
Glad you got yourself together
no thanks to me
Strong and beautiful the way thangs should be
You must love me"
(read that shit and tell me you know someone that can come off the top better - dont count those that are deceased though...)
think about that one and then end your argument by saying "i'm sorry... youre right and i'm wrong"
jay z's flow has changed VASTLY from 92-2001.
And what the fuck does it matter if he raps fast? Is your favorite mc chip fu?
And who are you guys to say whom jay z makes his music for? Did he come out and say "This is for the mainstream y'all, fuck my fans"?
Listening to jay z,
so, if i understand some of your comments right, most of jay-z's shit is NOT written down. that would make him a terrible mc because if some of his songs are freestyles then this proves that he can't freestyle for shit. maybe some of the songs are catchy or whatever and that's great for parties but he is lyrically lacking IMHO this doesn't say that i don't listen to him or enjoy some of his music, another thing, i can't seem to comprehend why people talk about jay-z on UNDERGROUNDHIPHOP.COM as many times as i mention it, i get flamed, i cannot understand it. talk about something else than nas and jay-z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how do some of you even know this site exists if all you post about is commercial hip hop, i just cant understand, i want to fucking hell
the Fabolous album aint too great. he has some good lines... but the beats are ridiculously commercial. and talk about a flow that never changes... if you put any of his verses on the Keepin It Gangsta beat, i wouldnt even realize it
hold the fuck up.....Fabolous/Ghetto Fabolous blows Blueprint away?..GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE....you gotta be a fuckin moron to say some stupid shit like that...Ill tell you too...I used to like Fab,but his album is fucking WACK....PERIOD..jay z makes song for the masses and not for himself?....HMMMMMMMMMMM....what the FUCK do you call "never change","blueprint","SONG CRY"(shit is TOUCHING)...and these are songs off the latest lp too...before then,he made MAD shit "for himself".....and what the fuck do the doors have anything to do with arguing about Jay-z's skills?...you kids fuckin kill me...
how come no one has responded to this with some defense?
yo, for anyone to say that jay-z is not a good emcee is like saying da vinci wasnt a good inventor...
if yall like hiphop and respect its pioneers, then how could you hate on jigga?
freestyling is ill as a bitch - and i cant see anyone thats gonna be reading this post as someone who thinks otherwise...
so then how could you say that jay-z isnt good? 7 of the first 10 songs he recorded for the blueprint had nothing written down... the other three had choruses and shit written down, but for someone to come up with entire lines that rhyme and have it be off the top? come on now... thats sick.
and for all those kids that truely havent listened to an entire jay-z album straight through: please stop entering these discussions... youre only hurting yourself by showing your ignorance. i can see why someone who only heard the song big pimpin and all that bullshit w/ amil would think that jigga isnt as good as everyone makes him out to be... but if you were to listen to ANY song off reasonable doubt... or ANY song that didnt make a single off in my lifetime... or ANY song with biggie or big L, or nas, or beans you would understand how high this dude stands above us (and the hiphop world especially)
straight up, to the kid that asked to hear some lines that jay-z spit that would change his opinion, go to any lyric site and look up any song off reasonable doubt...
jigga hides shit in his songs and albums that people find 3, 4, even 5 years later (like myself) - his flow is unmistakeable (which is something that is very respectable), and if you heard his old shit then you'd know that he doesnt spit the same way every song... this dude used to battle cats while spittin off the top at bone-thugs-speed, and then could jsut stop and spit slow like snoop... and make it sound three times nicer than all of them together. bottom line is that jay-z is disgusting...
he may rhyme about his loot a lot, but if you had it you'd prob. want to brag a little... jsut like if you had mic-skills you'd want to brag a little.... or if you fucked mad shorties, you'd brag a little... or if you could add and subtract better...you'd brag a little...
think about all the rhymes any of yall have ever written and tell me that none of them have ever had any of this in your content...
and even if you dont fit this, you still couldnt compare to jigga or his abilities...
damn, sucks i have to be the first kid to explain this cause i know i'm leaving out way too much shit...
oh well - go and listen to his old stuff... then progress to his newer stuff (i.e.: cop reasonable doubt, then cop vol.1, then cop vol. 2.....)
and i'm sure you'll hear more lines in his first song then you will in whole albums of other kids...